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Old August 23rd, 2011, 03:10 PM   #541
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 03:20 PM   #542
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Yeah that's your opinion but the truth is that most of the best towers in Frankfurt were defeated by London's worst towers in One on One Tournament
Uargh... I thought you said you were gone for good?

Frankfurts towers were "defeated" by London because of three simple reasons, even you should be able to see through:
1) London, as a much more prominent city, naturally gets the most votes from around the world!
2) People are biased, most of all if they are inhabitants of a particular city. Around 8 million possible voters in London versus 600k in Frankfurt.
3) As most people admitted, the Frankfurt shots were shit, whereas the London ones were artsy with some spectacular camera angles. Just read the comments!

And one thing about the oh so iconic towers in London. There are those skyscraper posters, right? Where the most famous skyscrapers stand beside each other for comparison. Funny how I always see Messeturm and Commerzbank on those for many years now, and recently JUST ONLY the Gherkin of London.

And for your information, Frankfurt ranks as an alpha world city too. And as the financial capital of one of the most prosperous countries in the world, it has just as many cash as London and New York to pay the best architects.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 03:44 PM   #543
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In my opinion, the Frankfurt skyline is made by the Commerzbank tower - without it I wouldn't rate the skyline anywhere near as highly (Messeturn does nothing for me).

That being said, London didn't use to have many pleasant skyscrapers. Canary Wharf is a fairly boring cluster, and while it looks good as a whole, none of the individual buildings in it are particularly inspiring. The City of London has some of the best architecture in the world (bishopsgate, leadenhall, fenchurch, gherkin), but most of them are under construction. At the moment, the CoL is nowhere near dense enough. And of course, the shard is beautiful

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 04:40 PM   #544
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Great Frankfurt future skyline visualisation!


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Old August 23rd, 2011, 05:04 PM   #545
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Millenium Tower looks so out of place there. I hope it won't get build (on that spot). Though a super tall would be a great addition and SO143 would finally shut about that short coming of Frankfurts skyline.

So that there is no misunderstanding. I think Frankfurt is a boring and rather ugly city. The least interesting of all the big cities in Germany and by far no match for cities like London/Paris/Moscow. But I find it ridiculous to play it's skyline, which is top notch for european standarts, down like that or even make fun of it.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 06:28 PM   #546
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The design of the tower will change for sure. This model has just been used for mass demonstrations. And imho, I'd love to have it exactly on this spot.

Nevertheless I can't share your opinion about Frankfurt being boring and maybe even ugly. I've been to London and Paris too and both didn't amaze me more than Frankfurt does. Each city has flair, no question, but each one got also massive problems concerning quality of several factors.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 06:33 PM   #547
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Uargh... I thought you said you were gone for good?
Yes i was off for temporary ( due to some school works )

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And for your information, Frankfurt ranks as an alpha world city too. And as the financial capital of one of the most prosperous countries in the world, it has just as many cash as London and New York to pay the best architects.
Sure, Frankfurt is an Alpha- world city and no doubt German developers can afford to build any skyscraper if they want to. Everyone knows Germany is rich.

Architects like Norman Foster and Renzo Piano literally produce fine designs for many cities around the world. But, i am so unimpressed by the shape of Comerzbank that looks so chunky with weird antenna on top.

Messy tower has great shape but the (70's style) cladding and (kinda pink or red) colour just ruin it's entire beauty, would be my fav one if it was built by crystal clear glass. ( like Bank of America, New York for eg)

Moscow is doing great with couple of supertalls and i don't find any flaw until now but one thing that i'd to comment is the colour of Mercy Tower, looks a bit odd to me. ( no offend )

I also love those 4 towers in Madrid they stand out very nicely. Berlin skyline sucks ( sorry ) it's the truth but Reichstag dome looks iconic although it's not a skyscraper.

Finally, Paris steals the show with well balanced cluster, some quality buildings and the iconic Tour Eiffel beats any skyscraper.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 07:06 PM   #548
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Millenium Tower looks so out of place there. I hope it won't get build (on that spot). Though a super tall would be a great addition and SO143 would finally shut about that short coming of Frankfurts skyline.
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The design of the tower will change for sure. This model has just been used for mass demonstrations. And imho, I'd love to have it exactly on this spot.
IF the Millenium Tower will ever be build, there will be the BahnTower (200m+) right next to the MT (on the left side) + there are some smaller highrises (westhafen tower, intercontinental hotel etc), which you cant see on this pic. So, it will become more harmonious as it looks like on this picture.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 07:08 PM   #549
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Architects like Norman Foster and Renzo Piano literally produce fine designs for many cities around the world. But, i am so unimpressed by the shape of Comerzbank that looks so chunky with weird antenna on top.
if commerzbank tower was as ugly as you say, why did it emerge as frankfurts best sykscraper in your omniscient one on one contest? so either way your beloved contest is rigged or commerzbank aint that bad. i'd say its a mixture of both.

btw its messeturm not messy turm. since you are aware of its real name, stop trolling.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 07:25 PM   #550
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^ Stop trolling and i wish you wouldn't visit this thread. No aggressor and basher is needed here. Merci.

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 07:28 PM   #551
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^ We are all fine here, discussing about skylines peacefully but you always tend to come up with problems, oh well stop trolling and i wish you wouldn't visit this thread. No aggressor and basher is needed here. Thank you.

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 08:10 PM   #552
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SO143: I guess you are the troll here. you called me a troll because I voted London not as high as you would want me to do. now you call if fenomeno a troll for similar reasons. if you are not able to accept different opinions you better leave this forum. but as I could see that you are still a pupil I can understand your attitude. grow up and come back then. I wish you all the best. cheers
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 08:38 PM   #553
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I think many 'problems' here could be solved if more people would put a little "in my opinion" before (or after) each statement.

Bad:
"Tower X in City Y is an ugly b*tch"
-> "U is an ugly b*tch"

Better:
"Tower X in City Y doesn't look that nice in my opinion" (In my opinion there's no need to repeat a such a negative feeling in constantly appearing intervals btw, if you said something once (especially something strange, for example 'London isn't amongst the Top 5 of European Skylines' or 'Messyturm looks like a commieblock' it should be fine then, otherwise this seems like you are trying to manipulate other users at best with that behaviour)
-> "Hm, well, if you think so.."



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Old August 23rd, 2011, 09:55 PM   #554
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Old August 24th, 2011, 01:09 AM   #555
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All of you are so funny having these little arguments over skylines.
wouldn't you think, people have their perfect opinions so I'd get over
it.Here is my own opinion and don't get all weird about it
Moscow
London/Frankfurt
Paris
Warsaw
Rotterdam
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Old August 24th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #556
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Amazing, perhaps one day that gap in ze middle can be closed with some residential highrises. Resdential is certainly the next big thing in Frankfurt. If you look at it, almost the entire skyline consists of office highrises and close to zero residential. Very unusual.
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Old August 24th, 2011, 02:56 AM   #557
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If we are talking about today than I would say Frankfurt, Paris and London. If we are talking a decade from now than Moscow will be number 1.
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Old August 24th, 2011, 06:03 AM   #558
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1.Moscow
2.London/Frankfurt
3.Paris
4.Warsaw/Madrid
5.Benidorm/Rotterdam
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SO143: I guess you are the troll here. you called me a troll because I voted London not as high as you would want me to do. now you call if fenomeno a troll for similar reasons. if you are not able to accept different opinions you better leave this forum. but as I could see that you are still a pupil I can understand your attitude. grow up and come back then. I wish you all the best. cheers
Situation is already calm and don't start any flame war again.

I am here to discuss about the skylines and socialise with other forumers peacefully.

My posts are reasonable with facts and explanation. I've never said London has the best skyline and i don't think it also has. But, it deserves to be among top 5. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so ranking would be vary and that's understandable. Since i opened this thread i knew that there might be a lot of trolls, different opinion is more than welcomed, but don't insult and come up with ridiculous comparisons like these.

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1. Paris
2. Frankfurt
3. Moscow
4. Istanbul
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. Milano
8. Madrid
9. Vienna
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Hamburg looks denser than London at least.
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Poor London. It looks to me like an overdone cheap bitch at a roadside (like most towers currently U/C in Moscow).
I wish you guys could avoid these kind of ludicrous comparisons and insulting comments in the future.

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Old August 24th, 2011, 08:21 AM   #560
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Please everybody stop the hating.
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