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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #201
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What do you find better on overhead signs in countries outside Austria: Wien, Bcs, Beč, Viedeň, Vdeň or Vienna?

I find Wien as the best solution. Hungarian Bcs-Wien is also acceptable. But only Bcs would not be very useful.

Besides greek alphabet script Greece uses latin alphabet on overhead signs as well. There is no point in noting foreign destinations in greek script.
Why is "Bcs-Wien" acceptable, but not "Βελιγράδι-Beograd"? If I really have to compare, the Greek case is the more logical one since every literate Hungarian should be able to read "Wien", but there are probably some Greeks who can't read "Beograd" since it's not in their script (although there can't be many).
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Old August 30th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #202
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but there are probably some Greeks who can't read "Beograd" since it's not in their script (although there can't be many).
Although you are right, this argument is invalid. Just think about who is that sign designed for? If you answer "for drivers approaching that foreign destination" you are right. And now tell me, how could person unable to read other than greek script travel to country where it is not used?

E.g. imagine driver from Greece unable to read latin script travelling to Beograd. As far as he can read Βελιγράδι he/she is all right. But what the hell would he/she do in case of crossing GR/MK border, where greek script is not used anymore? That person is not supposed to travel abroad, therefore he/she is surely not interested in foreign destinations on traffic signs.

But I have tried to focus at thaose strict and silly greeks transliterations which are not logical eg. Voulgaria, etc.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #203
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Maybe (s)he can read Cyrillic? Looks like I have to ask you the other way around: why is "Βελιγράδι-Beograd" not acceptable, but "Bcs-Wien" is?
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #204
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Maybe (s)he can read Cyrillic? Looks like I have to ask you the other way around: why is "Βελιγράδι-Beograd" not acceptable, but "Bcs-Wien" is?
I admit it, it is acceptable. "Βελιγράδι-Beligradi" would not be.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 12:46 AM   #205
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I admit it, it is acceptable. "Βελιγράδι-Beligradi" would not be.
I agree.

As a driver I would understand either Beograd or Belgrade. The most important thing for a person who wants to arrive somewhere is to know how to do it. These details, for someone who comes from far away are small details. The name of the city is clear.

If the name isn't, that's a problem.

Maybe most of drivers wouldn't know the accurate name in English because they haven't used that city name often... but they will go where to go
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Old August 31st, 2013, 02:13 AM   #206
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I admit it, it is acceptable. "Βελιγράδι-Beligradi" would not be.
That would be just stupid, just like "Σκόπια-Skopia" is IMO.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 12:52 PM   #207
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Dear friends.

You seem to worry too much. The whole thing regarding Greece is not an official policy. Sorry for coming to the same thing all the time, but only Greeks may understand this: It is total lack of knowledge, care and compliance with the standards by the idiots who create and erect the signs and the total failure of the authorities to implement and control a decent system that will be used by anybody.

That silly things (e.g. Σκόπια-Skopia) come along the hundreds of cases of putting wrong road numbers (I have said too much about it in the Greek page), not following the rule which states that motorway exits should be numbered by the Km point, the use of whatever fonts have stored in their computer, the use of the sign "pass either side in order to reach the same destination" as a "go ahead or turn" sign, the overuse of the "stop" sign instead of the "give way" one, silly situations in the transliteration of Greek names (Χαλκίδα-Chalkida-Halkida, Άγιος-Agios-Αghios, Πειραιάς-Peiraias-Pireas etc.) although there is a nationwide standard and so on.

Sorry for insisting, but this is the problem.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 02:40 PM   #208
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I think Greek signage in general is very good and useful.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 02:57 PM   #209
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I think Greek signage in general is very good and useful.
The same here - except those STOP signs at merge lanes First I have not known how to act Greek drivers tailgating me did not seem to want to stop there
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It is satisfactory if you are used to concentrate on destinations given by name and avoid be based on road numbers.

For an average driver, this is OK. He will not lose his destination. But for 'strange' people like us, who concentrate on the infrastructure and street furniture, I insist that it is at least problematic.

And at last a small article on a large Greek newspaper about lack of common standards and correct signing. It is in Greek, but I hope that a translator will help to understand most of it: http://www.tovima.gr/opinions/article/?aid=367118

PS. Again that "Stop" sign overuse has been spotted by the authorities but who cares?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 07:18 PM   #211
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... silly situations in the transliteration of Greek names (Χαλκίδα-Chalkida-Halkida, Άγιος-Agios-Αghios, Πειραιάς-Peiraias-Pireas etc.) although there is a nationwide standard and so on.
They really sign all those names?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 07:27 PM   #212
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I mean that you may see either Chalkida or Halkida, Agios or Aghios and Peiraias or Pireas on signs, although the official transliteration guide states that the first version of each pair is the 'proper' one.

(More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Greek - please use the UN/ELOT column).
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Old August 31st, 2013, 07:40 PM   #213
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^ Ah, ok. I thought there were both Latin names on one sign.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:25 AM   #214
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Old picture made in Tunisia, close to the Algerian border. Showing the city of Casablanca, which is located in Morocco.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #215
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Schengen (yes, there where that agreement was signed) in Luxemburg near the tripoint LU-DE-FR.



Germany is across the river. France however is signed via Germany here (although it can also directly and easily be reached directly from Schengen). The N153 is a road number which does not exist anymore in France in this region.

So this is a kind of signage for a non-neighbouring cointry
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Kłodzko, Poland and sign showing Wien:
http://maps.google.pl/?ll=50.438067,...53.62,,2,-2.88
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Kłodzko, Poland and sign showing Wien:
Wien? That's weird concidering how Poland signposts destinations beyond its northern border:

https://maps.google.fi/?ll=54.110289...00.82,,0,-4.91

No mention of Kaunas, let alone Kaliningrad. Just the names of the border crossing points.
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You see PL/LT border crossing on the sign so what the difference?
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You see PL/LT border crossing on the sign so what the difference?
Sure there's difference, if Wien is signposted so far away, and Austria isn't even a neighbouring country. It would be like signposting Riga from Suwalki.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #220
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You see PL/LT border crossing on the sign so what the difference?
Which PL/LT border crossing to which Lithuanian city? Answer the question, and you'll see why it makes more sense to sign major foreign cities than small border villages which lost significance since 2007.

Whether Wien has to be signed in Poland is another discussion. It only makes sense to sign a city if you can follow it continuously on the signs.
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