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Old June 17th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #21
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Fire safety fears over £30m ‘blade’ student building

Published on Thursday 16 June 2011 12:16

SENIOR firefighters are holding talks with the developer of a new city landmark amid concerns over its safety.

Fire officials are worried that the new 330ft ‘blade’ building – accommodation for 600 University of Portsmouth students – will not have sprinklers.

They want the safety measures to be included in the £30m 33-storey building, which will be built on the site of the old Victoria Baths swimming centre. Adding a sprinkler system would cost up to an estimated £400,000.

In an official statement from the service, Deputy Chief Officer Dave Curry said: ‘We’re working with the building’s developer, Watkin-Jones and discussing the risk and safety issues of the proposed student accommodation at Victoria Park.

‘Clearly, as a potential future landmark building in Portsmouth, we would expect to see the very highest levels of safety to be included in the design.

‘We will ask the university and the developer to consider including sprinklers in the design to ensure the safety of the future occupants.

‘This and other fire safety provisions are especially relevant when we know that the future occupants will be students – a known high risk group.’

Under law, hotels and halls of residence are not required to have sprinklers. This is because they are managed buildings and must have additional safety measures such as strict evacuation procedures.

But a Portsmouth-based firefighter told The News: ‘Sprinkler systems can reduce some of the risks we face entering tall buildings.

‘They are there to help people inside the buildings, who could be seriously injured or killed by quickly spreading fire.

‘Sprinklers are a first defence against serious fires spreading. They should go back and add them to the plans.’

The Blade was given planning permission by Portsmouth City Council in April this year.

It had passed all building regulations.

University Vice Chancellor John Turner said: ‘The building will not be fitted with a sprinkler system.

‘Stringent evacuation procedures will be in place.

‘In the event of a fire an automatic alarm is triggered and on detection of a confirmed fire, there is immediate evacuation of the building to a place of safety.’

The university’s Students’ Union president Aakash Naik said: ‘New students are taught about fire risk, with a DVD issued when they arrive, so hopefully that will reduce risk.

‘Sprinklers would be sensible, but I’m sure the university won’t risk students’ safety.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/loc...ding_1_2779902
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Old June 17th, 2011, 10:45 PM   #22
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I don't understand why you're shaking your head. Fire prevention is an extremely important message and I think it's absolutely right to consider that students are a high risk group so every precaution should be taken. I'm all for tall building but as an ex-firefighter I can't stress enough the importance of prevention. What you don't want to do is wait until it's too late because there ain't no going back!
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Old June 17th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #23
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I'm always surprised at how stumpy the lipstick can look from certain aspects. I could do with being a view metres taller and having a couple more towers keeping it company :P
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Old June 17th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #24
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I don't understand why you're shaking your head. Fire prevention is an extremely important message and I think it's absolutely right to consider that students are a high risk group so every precaution should be taken. I'm all for tall building but as an ex-firefighter I can't stress enough the importance of prevention. What you don't want to do is wait until it's too late because there ain't no going back!
Im shaking my head because i think it is nuts to build a structure of this type with the purpose of housing a high risk group of people (students) and not install sprinklers.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #25
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Does anyone know when the expected completion for this tower is?? (I'm in warsash and am often in portsmouth or southampton so will enjoy watching it rise)!!!

(Also someone should probably create a wikipedia article on this!

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Old June 18th, 2011, 08:33 PM   #26
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I've got a feeling this tower is going to be a let down, the cladding in reality is absolutely terrible, it definitely wont turn out like the render suggests imo.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #27
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[IMG]http://i53.************/16898o1.jpg[/IMG]

Time to move it into the main Highrises forum?
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #28
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Quality stuff, Portsmouth. It's great to see this get constructed so quick since approval! - doesn't happen that often. Shame it's not closer to Spinnaker/Gunwarf but I suppose that would render it too far from the university(?). I hope Portsmouth doesn't sell out in terms of quality (cladding, especially!), we all know how that turns out...

Anywho, good updates... keep em coming - I will be following this thread closely.

OH AND... someone should make a snazzy model for Google Earth, I love kinda working how U/C buildings will fit in!
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Old July 9th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #29
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Old July 20th, 2011, 06:00 PM   #30
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Dropped by the site and decided to take some photos, Like the way they are going to have a notice board with "this week's activities" on it, its a good idea



















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Old July 20th, 2011, 07:47 PM   #31
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Thanks for the pics guyb, its great to have some decent 'before' pics which we can compare with whats gonna be here in a year or two.

Doesn't look like there's a huge amount going on atm. Were they delivering those JCB's or taking them away?

A white board is an odd choice... I can see people rubbing things off is going to be a problem... surely the rain will just wash it off as well?
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Old July 20th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #32
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Thanks for the pics guyb, its great to have some decent 'before' pics which we can compare with whats gonna be here in a year or two.

Doesn't look like there's a huge amount going on atm. Were they delivering those JCB's or taking them away?

A white board is an odd choice... I can see people rubbing things off is going to be a problem... surely the rain will just wash it off as well?
JCB's: To be honest I'm not 100% sure, I think they were swapping one for the other (In the last pic the one on the trailer I think was going while the one on the ground was staying)

Whiteboard: Yes, that thought did cross my mind, all though the one that is rubbed off in the picture is because it has been done it was "remove waste material". Maybe they should put some kind of clear plastic coating on top of it to stop rain & vandals
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Old July 20th, 2011, 08:36 PM   #33
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Very nice photos, thanks guyb.
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Southampton is much better.
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How exactly? If you like a soulless slough-on-sea type town then i suppose it is, but for anyone else, particularly fans of skyscrapers, Southampton comes a distant second.
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How exactly? If you like a soulless slough-on-sea type town then i suppose it is, but for anyone else, particularly fans of skyscrapers, Southampton comes a distant second.
Defiantly Agree that Portsmouth is better, and I actually live closer to Southampton, my postcode is SO31 and even I think that Portsmouth beats Southampton hands down.
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SO31... Locks Heath? Its the right side of the Hamble. I really wonder what Southampton has to offer, its shopping is currently the only thing which is better than Portsmouth's, but that's literally all it has, there's nothing else there.
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SO31... Locks Heath? Its the right side of the Hamble. I really wonder what Southampton has to offer, its shopping is currently the only thing which is better than Portsmouth's, but that's literally all it has, there's nothing else there.
Warsash actually, Shopping maybe, but even there portsmouth is getting better.
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Old July 21st, 2011, 10:00 PM   #39
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Great stuff, good to see it's coming along.
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Old July 21st, 2011, 11:55 PM   #40
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why are you arguing about which city is 'better' you ******* losers?

anyway, good to see some progress on this.
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