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Old August 4th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #41
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Published on Thursday 4 August 2011 16:19

A SENIOR fire officer says lives will be put in danger if sprinklers are not fitted to Portsmouth’s newest landmark building.

Hampshire’s firefighters say the refusal to install sprinklers in the ‘Blade’ building being built at Victoria Park, central Portsmouth, is of grave concern.

The county’s fire chiefs called an emergency meeting with the building’s developer and owner, Watkin Jones, held behind closed doors on Tuesday afternoon, in a last-ditch attempt to convince them to install the safety devices. But the firm is still refusing to follow the fire service’s requests.

The force’s deputy chief officer, Dave Curry, said: ‘We don’t believe this building should be built without sprinklers. It will put lives in danger, residents and firefighters alike.

‘We have recent experience of the loss of life which can be caused to fire officers dealing with fires in high-rise buildings.

‘Our aim is to make people’s lives safer and that includes our officers and residents. The company has refused to install sprinklers. We will continue to try to convince them it should not be without sprinklers.’

The 330ft, 33-storey ‘blade’ will be leased to Portsmouth University, as a students’ hall of residence.

It will house 600 students.

But the law says as a student hall, the £30m development is exempt from having to contain sprinklers, which would cost Watkin Jones up to an estimated £400,000 to install.

Mr Curry said: ‘When the fire safety regulations were first put in place, most student halls were halls in which people lived. People never envisaged these buildings as 33 storeys high, in city centres. A fire at 32 storeys would be very dangerous. Sprinklers are needed, as they would be for a block of flats, to reduce that. They help to contain fires, ensuring small ones stay small.’

He confirmed the building will be a central point of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service and other brigades’ attempts to have the law changed.

He said: ‘We’ll lobby for the rules to be re-examined by chief fire officers, who can take it to the government.’

Ronnie King, vice chairman of the National Fire Sprinkler Network, said stronger measures could be taken. He said: ‘This is potentially horrific. It’s a major accident waiting to happen. A court of law should rule on whether sprinklers are needed here.’

But Watkin Jones said it complied with national fire regulations in its designs, which include fire-detection and alarm systems, and a fire-fighting staircase, lift, ventilated lobby and wet risers.

Project manager Paul Gillespie, said: ‘Our design meets all national requirements and standards.’

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/loc...ives_1_2932987
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Old August 5th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #42
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Be careful Pompey77 posting a quote about this matter with only a 'shaking head' emoticon, otherwise people might misinterpret this as you are in some way happy the tower is not going to have a sprinkler system! lol
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Old August 15th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #43
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Portsmouth’s Blade Tower development will have sprinklers installed

The Blade Tower
By Rory O’Keeffe
Published on Monday 15 August 2011 12:38

AN iconic Portsmouth building will have sprinklers installed, after a meeting between Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service and the building’s owners, Watkin Jones.

The developer called for the meeting after The News reported the fire service’s fears the £30m, 330ft building would be more dangerous without the safety feature.

They believe firefighters and residents would be at greater risk of death or injury should a fire break out in a building without sprinklers.

The fire service’s area safety manager Mick Crennell said: ‘The developer called for the meeting, and it was very positive. They told us they wanted to install the sprinklers and we were very happy to agree to that.’

The 33-storey building, which is being built at Victoria Park, central Portsmouth, will house 600 students.

It will be owned by Watkin Jones, but the University of Portsmouth will nominate the students to live there.

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Good News for this tower and its future occupants!

Im hoping the Building Regulations will be updated after this farce. They were probably intended for house conversions for students to occupy, not a large scale development such as this.

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Old August 25th, 2011, 11:53 PM   #44
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Now this is over this thing can get back on track.
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Old August 26th, 2011, 12:03 AM   #45
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Portsmouth has one of the best skylines in its size range
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Old September 6th, 2011, 10:12 PM   #46
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Fantastic.
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Old September 7th, 2011, 01:45 PM   #47
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Doesn't seem like there's much going on at the moment, I'll have another look later today. Probably just starting to get back into construction after the sprinklers debate.
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Old September 26th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #48
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any progress on this project?
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Old September 28th, 2011, 04:25 PM   #49
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The site's been fairly quiet recently, but hopefully it's just the 'calm before the storm' as the University do want to get this ready for September 2013, I believe. I pass by the site every weekday on my way to lectures, so I'll keep you informed.
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Thanks! I wont bother making a special trip down to check it out just yet then!
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Old October 1st, 2011, 09:35 PM   #51
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I think this is an ugly bastard, but then Portsmouth did build the most hideous shopping centre in the world in the late 60's only to have to demolished later so I guess this is a worthy successor.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 02:35 AM   #52
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HEY...

hey guys, im 13 and really really interested in portsmouth's development.
(kinda weird considering how old i am, no one else i know cares)

but anyway, im new to the site, so may i ask is there any other threads like this? but with maybe the building of portsmouth one

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Old November 5th, 2011, 05:21 PM   #53
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Hi there and welcome to the forums. There is a forum focused on projects in the UK, you might find more info there. Here's the link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29
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Wow, I'm surprised at the amount of highrises that have been built in Portsmouth over the last couple of years, the NIMBY population must be way below average in terms of the UK. This project is very encouraging and I love the design, it fits with the other taller buildings around well. My only concern is that it could seem quite bulky from some angles...

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I think this is an ugly bastard, but then Portsmouth did build the most hideous shopping centre in the world in the late 60's only to have to demolished later so I guess this is a worthy successor.
I guess you mean the Tricorn Centre, I personally liked its sculptural qualities although I may have felt differently if I had to live near it or see it on a daily basis...

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hey guys, im 13 and really really interested in portsmouth's development.
(kinda weird considering how old i am, no one else i know cares)

but anyway, im new to the site, so may i ask is there any other threads like this? but with maybe the building of portsmouth one

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346901

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1338552
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Still keeping an eye on this, I walk past it pretty much every day. There doesn't appear to be much going on at the moment, but I'll keep everyone informed!
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This project should be placed back into the proposed section,prep work has barely started.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 02:24 PM   #58
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Test piling has been completed - they might be taking it slowly at the moment, but this building's certainly more than proposed.
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hey guys, im 13 and really really interested in portsmouth's development.
(kinda weird considering how old i am, no one else i know cares)

but anyway, im new to the site, so may i ask is there any other threads like this? but with maybe the building of portsmouth one

Welcome to the forums, good to have another Portsmouthian/Pompodian on the forum.

Check out any of the threads in my signature below;
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Old November 6th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #60
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Welcome to the forums, good to have another Portsmouthian/Pompodian on the forum.
Afraid not actually, im originally from leicester. however, i live in portsmouth and i support PFC
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