The Second City of the UK?

dennis911 · May 18th, 2011, 01:43 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2285015.html

Lord Jones of Birmingham says that Birmingham is in danger of losing its second city staus to Manchester. So who is the second city?

***ill tonkso*** · May 18th, 2011, 02:09 AM

It's Birmingham, the only city which can take it is Manchester, but I think it has a way to go yet.

No doubt there will be forumers from other core cities claming theirs is the second city next. But Birmingham and Manchester are the second tier cities, like it or not.

leadensky · May 18th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Size, population - Birmingham.

Fame, status, cultural influence - Manchester.

Like other post-industrial cities in Britain, they both have enormous potential. Birmingham with similar investment like the Metrolink and Commonwealth Games would be doing much better. Though contributions that Manchester makes to art and music are difficult to replicate with money alone.

Sweet Zombie Jesus · May 18th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Corby.

Pompey77 · May 18th, 2011, 02:32 AM

Manchester's probably taken the title in everything but population size.

Portobello Red · May 18th, 2011, 04:04 AM

London

tucbiscuit · May 18th, 2011, 11:02 AM

for UK Glasgow should figure, maybe not be the second city, but should be in the running, for England then it's close between manc and brum imo

indiekid · May 18th, 2011, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tucbiscuit

for UK Glasgow should figure, maybe not be the second city, but should be in the running, for England then it's close between manc and brum imo

I don't think so, but it should be considered on a similar level to Brum and Manchester. Besides we were the 2nd city when it actually meant something

SO143 · May 18th, 2011, 12:48 PM

I have been to Birmingham, was not impressed by the atmosphere of the city, it's architecture, infrastructure and fashion things like that. At the moment i can't express my opinion on which city is more suitable to be the second capital of the UK. I will visit Manchester soon and then i will make a decision

but overall these two cities seem pretty huge and interesting (outside of London)

LNGCats · May 18th, 2011, 12:51 PM

Compared to what we may consider second cities in most european cities they are both pretty shit in many ways from the local economies, local oppurtunity to local infrastructure.

Still, one excelling in the passed or future should certainly not be taken as a negative to people living in the other.

***ill tonkso*** · May 18th, 2011, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Portobello Red

London

And what dare I ask is first city... cus it isn't Liverpool.

Damon · May 18th, 2011, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ill tonkso

And what dare I ask is first city... cus it isn't Liverpool.

It's an old joke in the city. You ask a Brummie what's England's second city, he says "Birmingham." You ask a Manc the same question, he says "Manchester". Then you ask a scouser. He says "London".

Anyone else got any jokes they want explaining?

SO143 · May 18th, 2011, 01:17 PM

What if you asked this same question to the people from other side of The Channel?

LNGCats · May 18th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Similar 'joke' in use in Manchester. James H Reeve (radio shock jock) would use that hillarious joke all the time.

Most of us have a mental age over 5 though.

LNGCats · May 18th, 2011, 01:18 PM

Lyon in France.

tommygunn · May 18th, 2011, 01:31 PM

Population: 1,028,701 (Metropolitan area: 3,683,000)
Population 483,800 (Metropolitan area: 2,240,230)
That clears it up.

tommygunn · May 18th, 2011, 01:32 PM

Who cares its meaningless.

Awayo · May 18th, 2011, 01:33 PM

Manchester is the UK government's nominated second state-created entity. But they could have done the same with Keele services. If are to compare Birmingham with Manchester (not much fun this) then as far as having any sort of self-generated economy and genuine home-grown cultural creativity, then this threadbare award goes to Birmingham.

LNGCats · May 18th, 2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awayo

Manchester is the UK government's nominated second state-created entity. But they could have done the same with Keele services. If are to compare Birmingham with Manchester (not much fun this) then as far as having any sort of self-generated economy and genuine home-grown cultural creativity, then this threadbare award goes to Birmingham.

Odd.

There was me thinking (thanks ONS) that the GVA / head of the public sector in Brum is twice that of Manchester and during the last 10 years private sector employment grew by 33,000 in Manchester and shrank by 58,000 in Brum.

Still, such facts won't get passed your blind hatred of all things Manchester will they?

Isaac Newell · May 18th, 2011, 01:39 PM

Manchester because it has it's own dartboard.

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May 18th, 2011, 01:43 AM	#1
dennis911 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 436 Likes (Received): 0	The Second City of the UK? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2285015.html Lord Jones of Birmingham says that Birmingham is in danger of losing its second city staus to Manchester. So who is the second city?

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*ill tonkso* Portsmouths Finest, Maybe Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 14,135 Likes (Received): 218	It's Birmingham, the only city which can take it is Manchester, but I think it has a way to go yet. No doubt there will be forumers from other core cities claming theirs is the second city next. But Birmingham and Manchester are the second tier cities, like it or not. __________________ Official Skyscrapercity 'Support the Shard at London Bridge' Facebook Group! Ill-Tonkso.co.uk - My Portfolio Website

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Sweet Zombie Jesus Free Cake Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,770 Likes (Received): 38	Corby. __________________ Glasgow / Edinburgh / Paris

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SO143 Maderator Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 22,338 Likes (Received): 812	I have been to Birmingham, was not impressed by the atmosphere of the city, it's architecture, infrastructure and fashion things like that. At the moment i can't express my opinion on which city is more suitable to be the second capital of the UK. I will visit Manchester soon and then i will make a decision but overall these two cities seem pretty huge and interesting (outside of London) __________________ LDN PAR MAD PSM SOS BOU CND CAR PET

May 18th, 2011, 02:26 AM	#3
leadensky Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 713 Likes (Received): 2	Size, population - Birmingham. Fame, status, cultural influence - Manchester. Like other post-industrial cities in Britain, they both have enormous potential. Birmingham with similar investment like the Metrolink and Commonwealth Games would be doing much better. Though contributions that Manchester makes to art and music are difficult to replicate with money alone.

May 18th, 2011, 02:32 AM	#5
Pompey77 Pompodian in Exile Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,632 Likes (Received): 4	Manchester's probably taken the title in everything but population size.

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Portobello Red ____________ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bootle / Notting Hill Posts: 4,202 Likes (Received): 62	London

May 18th, 2011, 11:02 AM	#7
tucbiscuit Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 329 Likes (Received): 0	for UK Glasgow should figure, maybe not be the second city, but should be in the running, for England then it's close between manc and brum imo

May 18th, 2011, 12:51 PM	#10
LNGCats Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11,163 Likes (Received): 128	Compared to what we may consider second cities in most european cities they are both pretty shit in many ways from the local economies, local oppurtunity to local infrastructure. Still, one excelling in the passed or future should certainly not be taken as a negative to people living in the other.

May 18th, 2011, 01:17 PM	#13
SO143 Maderator Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 22,338 Likes (Received): 812	What if you asked this same question to the people from other side of The Channel? __________________ LDN PAR MAD PSM SOS BOU CND CAR PET

May 18th, 2011, 01:18 PM	#15
LNGCats Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11,163 Likes (Received): 128	Lyon in France.

May 18th, 2011, 01:31 PM	#16
tommygunn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,681 Likes (Received): 0	Population: 1,028,701 (Metropolitan area: 3,683,000) Population 483,800 (Metropolitan area: 2,240,230) That clears it up.

May 18th, 2011, 01:32 PM	#17
tommygunn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,681 Likes (Received): 0	Who cares its meaningless.

May 18th, 2011, 01:33 PM	#18
Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 14,008 Likes (Received): 111	Manchester is the UK government's nominated second state-created entity. But they could have done the same with Keele services. If are to compare Birmingham with Manchester (not much fun this) then as far as having any sort of self-generated economy and genuine home-grown cultural creativity, then this threadbare award goes to Birmingham.

May 18th, 2011, 01:39 PM	#20
Isaac Newell Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12,895 Likes (Received): 6	Manchester because it has it's own dartboard.

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