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Old November 9th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #241
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Indeed, both Portugal and Spain have now started to sign cities in neighbouring countries, Portugal starting from the new A4 extension which is partly finished. I'll find some photos, although from quite far away its still ESPANHA.

Heres one:

Puebla de Sanabira's in Spain, although the signs on the motorway in the distance still say ESPANHA, avoidance of double Spain as


This shows ESPANHA
Miranda do Douro
Zamora



Photos from Alberto C

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Old December 11th, 2011, 12:07 PM   #242
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Germany has a lot of signs showing cities in neighbouring countries.

Here is one on the B419 federal road. The houses behind the trees are in Luxembourg.

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Old December 11th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #243
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Ah, the B419: constructed by Goebbels to give his panzers quick access to Lorraine. No wonder Metz and Thionville have always been signposted along the route
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Old December 11th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #244
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Junction between C-66 and AP-7 in Catalonia, Spain. The owner of this sign is the Generalitat de Catalunya, so Perpignan is written in Catalan: Perpinyà.



Junction between C-25 and A-2. Because of the proximity with A-2 Autovia, the owner is the Spanish Ministerio de Fomento, so Perpignan is written in its official form.



Near to Figueres, Spanish sign. Trough N-II you'll read "França" in Catalan. But if you exit to AP-7 you'll go to Perpignan.



Few meters after the exit, "França" desapears and apears again Perpignan and La Jonquera.



But if you enter the roundabout from the Catalan road C-26 (old GIV-5128), you'll read Perpinyà.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 09:26 PM   #245
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Some progress have been done, but it would've been better to write simply "Perpinyà (Perpignan) (F)". Good progress anyway ! Last time I went to Spain (May 2008), it said "Francia" everywhere except ... in the city of Zaragoza (where you could read "Pau" !!!). But still, the oval should be more widespread in Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands & here in France, where you can see "SARAGOSSE" instead of "SARAGOSSE/ZARAGOZA (E)" or "GAND" instead of "GAND/GENT" (B) for instance.

Germany is not perfect either, especially on motorways. Just before Berlin, at the junction between A2 and A10 (Dreieck Werder I think), you have a roadsign that shows "Warschau"(instead of Warschau/Warszawa (PL)) to the right & "Stettin" (instead of Stettin/Szczecin straight) with no oval. No oval either for "Breslau/Wrocław", "Venlo", "Lüttich/Liège", Paris, Straßburg (should be Straßburg/Strasbourg (F) ) either. Only an oval seen towards Pilsen (CZ) (although they should've written "Pilsen/Plzeň (CZ)".
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Old December 12th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #246
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once again: Republic of Kosovo

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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #247
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Some progress have been done, but it would've been better to write simply "Perpinyà (Perpignan) (F)". Good progress anyway ! Last time I went to Spain (May 2008), it said "Francia" everywhere except ... in the city of Zaragoza (where you could read "Pau" !!!). But still, the oval should be more widespread in Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands & here in France, where you can see "SARAGOSSE" instead of "SARAGOSSE/ZARAGOZA (E)" or "GAND" instead of "GAND/GENT" (B) for instance.

the topic about using own language or the "official" language (that will be the one you will see on maps) is discused in other thread.

Nevertheless, the most important step is marking the city, not the country!!!!.

I've made the RN-134 / E-07 and no problem looking for Saragosse. First time I saw, I knew which direction marked.

About the city of Zaragoza, all signals you have seen are located INSIDE the city. The signals inside the city are done by the municipality. The signals on the motorway by the ministry (and except some exceptions on new roads, always pointing "Francia").

Zaragoza is "brothered" with several cities, one of them Pau... and the A-23/E-07 is pointed in anywhere of the city as "A-23 Huesca - Pau". Those signals are about four years old (or maybe five, but no more)

In the E-07, just before the entrance of Somport tunnel you can find the distances to Urdos, Oloron and Pau

http://maps.google.es/?ll=42.742884,...=12,54,,0,5.66


but some metres before, in the last cross before the tunnel you can choose between going left to "Francia por puerto, Canfranc estacion, Candanchú / Astún": France by mountain pass, Canfranc estacion (the name of the village), Candanchu / Astun (two important ski resorts, the first of them the oldest in Spain and only 1 km away from border) or... going strait on "Francia por túnel de Somport" (France by Somport tunnel). Here there is no confussion... tunnel is ahead!!!!
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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #248
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I know that part you're talking about as I've been several times to Oloron-Sainte-Marie, from where I drove to San Sebastián/Donostia, Pamplona/Iruña, Sos del Rey Católico & Madrid via Zaragoza. & I remember the sign at the entrance of the Somport tunnel. The only one from Spain that showed "OLORON-SAINTE-MARIE".

The funniest part was:
A) showing "LA PIEDRA SAN MARTÍN" at the A-137/N-240 crossroad ! (it standed for "LA PIERRE-SAINT-MARTIN"
B) getting out of Iruña/Pamplona, I suddenly felt awkward as I had ... "FRANCIA" to the right & "FRANCIA" to the left. First time I chose wrong (back through San Sebastián/Donostia & Hendaye), the second time, the GPS chose for me (driving during the night on these curvy roads on the Spanish side to Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port would've been completely crazy).

Btw - I found the mountain roads MUCH BETTER on the Spanish side than on the French side. Wider, better signed, with less dangerous 180° curves! I felt as if France were a "old & tired" country ("vieux et fatigué", as one of our politicians told once about another )

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once again: Republic of Kosovo

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I think this way of signing (similar to HR & SLO ones) is the best option & should be chosen by the rest of Europe. Using only endonyms (like in Poland - where they should sign "Drezno/Dresden (D)" or "Wilno/Vilnius (LT)" and not only "Dresden (D)" or "Vilnius (LT)" alone, the Czech Republic - where they should sign "VRATISLAV/WROCŁAW (PL)" & not only "WROCŁAW (PL)" or Slovakia, where they should sign "REŠOV/RZESZÓW (PL)" instead of "RZESZOW (PL)") or only exonyms is insufficient & ... less attractive for tourists
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Old December 14th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #249
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I think this way of signing (similar to HR & SLO ones) is the best option & should be chosen by the rest of Europe. Using only endonyms (like in Poland - where they should sign "Drezno/Dresden (D)" or "Wilno/Vilnius (LT)" and not only "Dresden (D)" or "Vilnius (LT)" alone, the Czech Republic - where they should sign "VRATISLAV/WROCŁAW (PL)" & not only "WROCŁAW (PL)" or Slovakia, where they should sign "REŠOV/RZESZÓW (PL)" instead of "RZESZOW (PL)") or only exonyms is insufficient & ... less attractive for tourists
I totally agree.
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Old December 14th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #250
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I don't, using endonyms is suficient enough. Exonyms are spoken in general language, but they are not used (in most cases) on official documents and therefore they should not be used on signs as well. The only exemption I can point out is in the case of a bilingual city, that has more than one official language. Then those cities might be signed in both languages. Signs generally need to be readable and understandable even at high speeds and adding unnecessary information on it is not a good idea (not to mention additional costs of these solutions regarding the size of such a sign).
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Old December 14th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #251
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Another example between Spain and France.

This is in Molló, in the Catalan road C-38. Espinavell is in Spain and Prats de Molló (Prats-de-Mollo-la-Preste) an Ceret (Céret) in France.



In the other side of the Col d'Ares, in Prats-de-Mollo-la-Preste. Camprodon and Ripoll are in Spain.

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Old December 28th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #252
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A96 at Lindau (D): Bregenz (A) together with two decals signed
This is the Dreiländereck ("Three countries region") at Lake Constance ...

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Old January 1st, 2012, 12:38 AM   #253
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Well obviously Ireland outdoes all other countries, since it's got the name of cities in a foreign country signposted in its capital city!

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=dublin&...27.74,,0,-3.93

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=dublin&...100.83,,1,1.32
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Well obviously Ireland outdoes all other countries, since it's got the name of cities in a foreign country signposted in its capital city!

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=dublin&...27.74,,0,-3.93

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=dublin&...100.83,,1,1.32

We don't regard the North of Ireland as "foreign" and that is why cites are shown. Dublin is shown in the North too.
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Indeed, alongside the historical-politcal reasons for that, there what many non-British or Irish would consider to be a rather strange relationship, legally, between the two countries, i.e Irish and British citizenship is pretty much the same thing, Irish people in the UK can vote and vice-versa.

Technically the British Government does really consider Commonwealth citizens to be foreign although they do not use the term in that case, hence the 'Foreign and Commonwealth Office' and my passport says 'Foreign or Commonwealth countries' or something like that, which is the opposite of the case with the Republic whose citizens are officially regarded as 'foreign' but not treated as such.
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ALGERIA

Yes, for Morocco :









At the border :





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Well obviously Ireland outdoes all other countries, since it's got the name of cities in a foreign country signposted in its capital city!
That's very common, especially in small countries.
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Yes, for Morocco :

At the border :
Why signposting - even on new signs - when that border is closed?
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Why signposting - even on new signs - when that border is closed?
Hope makes those signs live (from the French proverb: "l'espoir fait vivre")
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