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Old December 8th, 2013, 12:36 AM   #621
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Is there a sign anywhere (nearby) with those three capitals and Skopje as well maybe?
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Old December 8th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #622
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Is there a sign anywhere (nearby) with those three capitals and Skopje as well maybe?
The closest I could find is this one (Sofia missing):

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Old December 20th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #623
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 02:17 AM   #624
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Is there a sign anywhere (nearby) with those three capitals and Skopje as well maybe?
Because Pristine is capital there is a sign with four capitals along with Sofia, Beograd and Athens. And its located just at the interchange of the eastern entrance of Skopje and Skopje bypass.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 06:34 PM   #625
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Late reply, I don't read this thread often.
I know what you said, but 49% of Merano\Meran citizens are ethnically Italians.
Plus, someone from abroad may don't understand what Meran and Timmelsjoch are, an "I" oval would help.
I think Meran and Merano are pretty similar and I just checked my road atlas of Europe and it's bilingual in South Tyrol so I don't see the problem, if people aren't from the area they'll see both names on a map, unless it isn't standard that maps have both names.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 11:55 PM   #626
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Old January 9th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #627
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Old January 12th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #628
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Tanger sign in Algeciras

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Old January 12th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #629
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Here is a rare foreign city sign in USA, New York State referencing Montreal, Canada, on I-87 shortly after the Kosciuszko bridge:

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Old January 12th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #630
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Not that rare, really: Montreal shows up on distance markers from the south end of the New York Thruway in Yonkers. They all say things like "Albany 80 - Buffalo 360 - Montreal 300" That's in miles, and they always end in all those zeroes.

And U.S. "control city" practices drive me up a wall...you just can't navigate by destination the way you can in Europe...and Northeastern states generally don't give too many distant destinations. In fact, I don't know a place where Philadelphia (which is actually quite a large city) shows up on a sign as far away as those "Montreal" signs around Albany are from Montreal, so Montreal's getting about the attention an American city of that size would. (If that made sense...felt a bit stream-of-consciousness. :-/ )

I'm sure Vancouver's posted in the Seattle area and north of it, Mexican cities are posted in border areas....
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Old January 12th, 2014, 01:44 AM   #631
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Most of the ones I see elsewhere usually have something like "Canada" just written... I-91 through Derby Line just says "CANADA", I-89 signs Swanton VT, and the variety of roads around Bufflao / Niagara sign those places and then "Bridge to Canada" or similar.

I like the North American custom of cardinal directions at least. The European system, often you end up approaching a sign like:

<27> Bad Hundfick ->
<27> Fickmuehlen ^

And are just like "but I just want Berlin, where is Berlin!"
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Old January 12th, 2014, 01:51 AM   #632
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There's a sign near me for the Channel Tunnel. And there's a fair amount of signs in Northern Ireland to Dublin and Donegal.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #633
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I like the North American custom of cardinal directions at least. The European system, often you end up approaching a sign like:

<27> Bad Hundfick ->
<27> Fickmuehlen ^

And are just like "but I just want Berlin, where is Berlin!"
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Old January 13th, 2014, 04:04 PM   #634
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Only in Germany. And usually you don't have to leave motorways to get to a major city like Berlin (and if you did, it would be signed), so continue straight forward.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #635
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Old January 13th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #636
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Are there even traffic signs in US directing to major cities? I have spent hours of streetviewing and saw only parts of cities. Eg. no direction to New York, but Brooklyn or particular parkways.
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Well, there are, but since we use cardinal directions (80 West versus 80 East) and use route numbers consistently, they're sort of superfluous. If you're driving from New York to Chicago, you don't need Chicago on the sign, since you've got 80 West....

Standard practice seems to be to include one city per direction, sort of as reinforcement (hence, I'd guess, the term "control city") - e.g. 95 North/Baltimore, 95 South/Washington, but some states, including Pennsylvania, can get rather parochial; instead of just using New York (eastbound) and Cleveland or Youngstown (westbound) on I-80, for example, Pennsylvania will give the nearest significant town (80 East/Bellefonte, 80 West/DuBois, for example).

There are threads and threads about "control cities" at the AA Roads forum. At least there used to be...haven't dropped in in a while.
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Well, there are, but since we use cardinal directions (80 West versus 80 East) and use route numbers consistently, they're sort of superfluous. If you're driving from New York to Chicago, you don't need Chicago on the sign, since you've got 80 West....

Standard practice seems to be to include one city per direction, sort of as reinforcement (hence, I'd guess, the term "control city") - e.g. 95 North/Baltimore, 95 South/Washington, but some states, including Pennsylvania, can get rather parochial; instead of just using New York (eastbound) and Cleveland or Youngstown (westbound) on I-80, for example, Pennsylvania will give the nearest significant town (80 East/Bellefonte, 80 West/DuBois, for example).

There are threads and threads about "control cities" at the AA Roads forum. At least there used to be...haven't dropped in in a while.
Thank you very much for the explanation
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Old January 13th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #639
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Control city is usually a town close to the next interchange with an Interstate, i.e. a town not too far away. Add to that that control city should, under the MUTCD, be the most distant location on distance signs and you appreciate why you references to major towns further afield are quite sparse in the US. You need a state violating the MUTCD in order to have one.

These violations do occur, as we can see from signs to Montreal and to LA from well into Nevada. But not enough, at least not from my (admittedly European) perspective.
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I didn't know that that was the definition of control city. Outside the Northeast, they seem to be, mostly, major cities.... it'll just be the next major city rather than the next three, and you'll almost never see one for which you'd have to exit the route you're on and take another one (so, no "Brussels" on the French A1). And there are quirks like the Chicago-area habit of using states.

I'm not sure it's a violation of the MUTCD, though. Isn't there somewhere - I'm not an expert on this - an official list of control cities that each state has contributed to, basically giving the cities they use now? So that whatever the current use is would be by definition approved?

EDIT: Here's that list, or a version of it. Haven't read it carefully. http://home.roadrunner.com/~pwolf/controlcities.html
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