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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:34 PM   #861
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European motorway symbol?
Well, okay, I suppose it's the international-except-in-North-America motorway symbol....

That Quebec version (which is more illustration than symbol) is the closest we come to it in the U.S. or Canada that I'm aware of.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #862
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Paris from Germany:


What's with the arrangement:

Basel Freiburg
Buehl*

*Sorry, too early in the day to switch keyboard layouts just for an Umlaut.

And by "What's with," I'm not criticizing - Heaven forfend - just asking what it means.

EDIT: When I typed that out, they were indented the way they are on the sign.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #863
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Freiburg and Basel are the key cities and Bühl is the next exit after the Baden-Baden exit.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:47 PM   #864
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So in France it would read

FRIBOURG
BÂLE

BÜHL

(Now that was worth changing keyboard layouts for.)
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:51 PM   #865
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Not always. When getting closer to the border they actually use German words as well. (Freiburg instead of Fribourg, Basel instead of Bale, Saarbrücken instead of Sarrebruck.)

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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #866
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My point was, the "Buhl" would be in italics, and perhaps with a space between it and the control cities. Or perhaps on a separate panel.

I just Francized the names for fun.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #867
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Not always. When getting closer to the border they actually use German words as well. (Freiburg instead of Fribourg, Basel instead of Bale, Saarbrücken instead of Sarrebruck.)

That image is quite small. Might even fit inside one of Valentino's route markers.

(Seriously, I can't read it.)
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Old February 19th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #868
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It says Freiburg, take my word for it. When heading on the French motorway towards Saarbrücken there's a sign that I always found a little odd:

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Old February 19th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #869
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In my experience, yes. The French system (for motorways) works rather well. For the lower network, the attitude is somewhat "more French", and the results are not always extremely clear.



Yes, the German system is more clear, even if there is room for improvement.


Anyone may get off there and take his time to read all signals
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Old February 19th, 2015, 07:29 PM   #870
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Freiburg and Basel are the key cities and Bühl is the next exit after the Baden-Baden exit.
I've thought exits are marked in a different way in Germany. Was not Germany used to put there the "exit" symbol?



Because, in spite of the same name, the exit is not the same as the city.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 11:16 PM   #871
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Paris from Germany:
Paris signposted with a motorway symbol, that is located on a motorway, but referring to a route that (partly) is not a motorway.

Guess that makes sense somehow...
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Old February 19th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #872
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Paris signposted with a motorway symbol, that is located on a motorway, but referring to a route that (partly) is not a motorway.

Guess that makes sense somehow...
Not an uncommon signage in Germany. Blue signs are often used to designate routes to motorways over non-motorways. The distance to A35 in France is about 10 kilometres over B5 and D4.

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Old February 20th, 2015, 01:35 AM   #873
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Quebec autoroute, to be precise. And I always thought it was modeled on a European motorway symbol. (And the U.S. Interstate marker, which you can see one of right next to it...) Is it possible that there was a messier motorway symbol that evolved into the current one?

It's never struck me as messy, really. But maybe I've never seen one that's so big.
I have somewhere a picture of the Decarie Expressway under construction circa 1966 but they installed the sign... exactly the same as current standard

never thought it messy, it is just a stylized overpass. Maybe when you are going 130 km/h past it you can't see it long enough to remark
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Old February 20th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #874
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European capitals signposted in Germany
And Luxembourg?
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Old February 20th, 2015, 03:43 PM   #875
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And Luxembourg?
You're right. I forgot about that one.

Luxembourg:





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...and Luxemburg:



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Yes, the Germany are doing it the international way as well now. There are still some Zentrums left here and there, but if it's not Mitte, then it's either centrum or just city.
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Old February 20th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #879
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Centrum?
It's the old way of spelling which is obsolete since 1901, but it became modern again a few decades ago and was used in ads and so on.
Also sometimes old spellings are considered as proper names. So the Centrum is not actual the center of the city, but more like e.g. Hamburg Centrum which is a proper name, so all signs use Centrum or derived names contain the name Centrum e.g. the congress centre saar is written Congress Centrum Saar. (But if you want to refer to any congress centre, then you will use the word Kongresszentrum ;-))

Official signs also often have spelling mistakes, so I wouldn't care much about which word is used. Centrum, Zentrum, Center and City all mean the same. "Center" is currently what's considered as a modern word. (FYI there was during the Middle High German period the word Zenter. It was the loanword from Centrum which is obviously Latin.)

So Road_UK is right, sometimes it's also i18n. So the center of a town could also be signalised as "Center", "City-Center", "Citycenter" or "City". (In German "City" only means the city centre)
A bit confusing, perhaps.

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Old February 20th, 2015, 07:02 PM   #880
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It seems that Denmark and Switzerland are the only neighbouring countries not having their capitals displayed in Germany.
... and as an addition, Switzerland does not have a de jure capital at all. Bern is the seat of the federal authorities, thus being the de facto capital. In Switzerland, it is referred to as Bundesstadt (and not Hauptstadt).

So strictly speaking, the Germans only miss one capital city; isn't there really a single sign for Copenhagen?
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