daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #881
-Valentino-
Je me Souviens
 
-Valentino-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Montréal, QC
Posts: 87
Likes (Received): 44

It would be interesting if European countries had English included on signs as well for international visitors or near the border, but not sure if it would work or be the same because everything is symbolic and no words almost. NORTH, EAST, WEST, SOUTH not used in Europe, such as E4 N or 1 E.
__________________
Jesus Christ - the most influential man in history who spread the universal message of love, peace & forgiveness..
  • John 13:34-35 | John 8:7 | John 11:25-26 | John 14:6 | John 3:16-18 | Matthew 5:11 | Matthew 5:6
-Valentino- no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #882
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,471
Likes (Received): 3438

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Valentino- View Post
It would be interesting if European countries had English included on signs as well for international visitors or near the border, but not sure if it would work or be the same because everything is symbolic and no words almost. NORTH, EAST, WEST, SOUTH not used in Europe, such as E4 N or 1 E.
no thanks.
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #883
AsHalt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,266
Likes (Received): 181

I wonder how's is the expressways /highways/autobahns are going to be like when the automatic robocars are the norm in the future, is there going to be still the need for physical signs or just use holograms or ,the sad kind, let it "rot".
AsHalt no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #884
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,245
Likes (Received): 781

Directions would be helpful, in my opinion. But that's a conversation we've had before and I'm on my way to lunch.

EDIT, like, hours later... In case it's not clear, this is regarding directions on signage in the world we live in today, as opposed to navigational aids for robocars.
__________________
I didn't vote for him....

DRIVEN IN BEEN IN:
AL CA CT DE DC FL GA ID IL IN KY ME MD MA MI MN MO MT NH NJ NY NC ND OH OR PA RI SC SD TN UT VT VA WA WV WI WY ---
AB BC MB NB NS ON PE QC SK ---
A B CH D F GB I L NL

Road_UK liked this post

Last edited by Penn's Woods; February 20th, 2015 at 11:52 PM.
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:36 PM   #885
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corvinus View Post
... and as an addition, Switzerland does not have a de jure capital at all. Bern is the seat of the federal authorities, thus being the de facto capital. In Switzerland, it is referred to as Bundesstadt (and not Hauptstadt).

So strictly speaking, the Germans only miss one capital city; isn't there really a single sign for Copenhagen?
No. Key destination on the A7 is Flensburg which is still in Germany, and Kolding after that. The other route to Denmark and actually Copenhagen is via A1 (key city Lübeck) towards the ferry Puttgarden to Roedby. And on that route only Puttgarden is displayed after and around Lübeck.
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #886
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Valentino- View Post
It would be interesting if European countries had English included on signs as well for international visitors or near the border, but not sure if it would work or be the same because everything is symbolic and no words almost. NORTH, EAST, WEST, SOUTH not used in Europe, such as E4 N or 1 E.
It'd be interesting if the French-Canadians would use STOP on their signs - the international way - for international visitors.

And also everything in Dutch of course, for Dutch visitors. And Spanish, for Spanish visitors. Hell, Canada should include every major language on its road signs.

But just for you:

__________________

riiga liked this post

Last edited by Road_UK; February 20th, 2015 at 07:56 PM.
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 08:31 PM   #887
OulaL
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Jämsä
Posts: 643
Likes (Received): 121

Quote:
Originally Posted by Road_UK View Post
No. Key destination on the A7 is Flensburg which is still in Germany, and Kolding after that. The other route to Denmark and actually Copenhagen is via A1 (key city Lübeck) towards the ferry Puttgarden to Roedby. And on that route only Puttgarden is displayed after and around Lübeck.
As Puttgarden is in no way significant other than a ferry port, this will probably change with the Fehmarn Belt Tunnel.

My guess is Kopenhagen (German spelling).
__________________
Countries visited, driven in, (not independent), former:
A B CH CZ D DK E EST F FIN GB (+GBZ) GR H I L LT LV MAL MC N NL PL RUS S SGP SK SLO T TR YU
OulaL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #888
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Valentino- View Post
It would be interesting if European countries had English included on signs as well for international visitors or near the border, but not sure if it would work or be the same because everything is symbolic and no words almost. NORTH, EAST, WEST, SOUTH not used in Europe, such as E4 N or 1 E.
You'd love Skopje (Macedonia) then, they use Macedonian, English and French on the bypass. But it's messy. We only use English (beside Slovenian) for indicating the Ljubljana motorway ring, the port of Koper (but no airport) and perhaps some other important destination.
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 09:25 PM   #889
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,245
Likes (Received): 781

Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn's Woods View Post
Directions would be helpful, in my opinion. But that's a conversation we've had before and I'm on my way to lunch.
I'm back from lunch, but my reading glasses aren't.

I'll rejoin this (and any) conversation here once I've bought a new pair.

Any typos in this post are because I can't see 'em.
__________________
I didn't vote for him....

DRIVEN IN BEEN IN:
AL CA CT DE DC FL GA ID IL IN KY ME MD MA MI MN MO MT NH NJ NY NC ND OH OR PA RI SC SD TN UT VT VA WA WV WI WY ---
AB BC MB NB NS ON PE QC SK ---
A B CH D F GB I L NL
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #890
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by OulaL View Post
As Puttgarden is in no way significant other than a ferry port, this will probably change with the Fehmarn Belt Tunnel.

My guess is Kopenhagen (German spelling).
They might even put it in the original Danish spelling. There seems to be a shuffle in the German way of thinking in these matters, and my guess is that they're not absolutely sure what to do, however, they did change the signs to two principal Dutch cities a while ago, and put them in original Dutch.

Arnheim (German)....



...is now Arnhem (Dutch)



And Nimwegen (German)



...is now Nijmegen (Dutch)



...that truck driver got so confused that he tipped his lorry over.

-------------------

Same goes for the Luxemb(o)urg example...



image hosted on flickr
__________________

Penn's Woods liked this post
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #891
TrojaA
ß-Retter
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Weltbürger
Posts: 100
Likes (Received): 341

Could be possible. All these other languages use the same alphabet like German. (This includes the diacritics like ` and ´)
The original Danish spelling for Copenhagen is København. I'm not sure whether they will put <ø> on a sign or if they will use the German name.
E.g. Szczecin is also written Stettin, but they put often Szczecin in parenthesis behind it. Or did they change this?

So I think it might be either "Kopenhagen" or "Kopenhagen (København)".
TrojaA no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #892
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

The Stettin/Szchecin one is still the same. Same with Prag/Praha.

This sign doesn't make much sense to me:



Luxembourg in French only. But Lüttich (Liege in French, it's a French-speaking town in Belgium) in both languages. I suppose they use whichever is clearest, as Brussels is in the German spelling only. (Brüssel)

They took it more seriously in Brussels, on a motorway in an area where both French and Dutch is spoken:

__________________

TrojaA liked this post
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #893
Kemo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Segiet
Posts: 10,743
Likes (Received): 18780

A sign with both Frankfurt (Oder) and Warschau (Warszawa) is also confusing. Is Oder the Polish name of Frankfurt?


Source of the photo: http://bujko.net/blog/2012/08/10/1344591422042.html
Kemo está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:02 PM   #894
-Valentino-
Je me Souviens
 
-Valentino-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Montréal, QC
Posts: 87
Likes (Received): 44

They should use the name of the city in the local national language of where you see the road sign. For example Sweden should post Köpenhamn, not in Danish spelling.
__________________
Jesus Christ - the most influential man in history who spread the universal message of love, peace & forgiveness..
  • John 13:34-35 | John 8:7 | John 11:25-26 | John 14:6 | John 3:16-18 | Matthew 5:11 | Matthew 5:6
-Valentino- no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #895
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

You're wrong and it's not the general opinion of us Europeans. The Dutch have changed all signs in language of destination country only to make it clear for anybody.

It's not really any of your concern what we should do here anyway.
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #896
volodaaaa
Registered User
 
volodaaaa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Posts: 3,236
Likes (Received): 1751

Quote:
Originally Posted by Road_UK View Post
You're wrong and it's not the general opinion of us Europeans. The Dutch have changed all signs in language of destination country only to make it clear for anybody.

It's not really any of your concern what we should do here anyway.
True. The original name is the far best choice. The local name is just optional. Everybody knows Wien is Vienna and nobody cares if it is Beč in Croatian, Bécs in Hungarian, Viedeň in Slovak, Vídeň in Czech or Dunaj in Slovenian.
__________________
Been/drove my car in: SK, CZ, D, A, H, PL, I, F, E, RSM, CH, FL, SLO, HR, SRB, BiH, MK, GR, BG, RO


Road_UK liked this post
volodaaaa está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #897
MattiG
Registered User
 
MattiG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Espoo FI
Posts: 1,805
Likes (Received): 618

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Valentino- View Post
They should use the name of the city in the local national language of where you see the road sign. For example Sweden should post Köpenhamn, not in Danish spelling.
That principle would be problematic in the US, as the local authorities would need to choose whether to use English, Spanish, Irish, or Polish.
MattiG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:22 PM   #898
MattiG
Registered User
 
MattiG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Espoo FI
Posts: 1,805
Likes (Received): 618

Quote:
Originally Posted by volodaaaa View Post
True. The original name is the far best choice. The local name is just optional. Everybody knows Wien is Vienna and nobody cares if it is Beč in Croatian, Bécs in Hungarian, Viedeň in Slovak, Vídeň in Czech or Dunaj in Slovenian.
Original name? Vindobona? Parisium? Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium? Lugdunum? Treva? Juvavum?
__________________

Road_UK liked this post
MattiG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #899
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2015, 11:25 PM   #900
volodaaaa
Registered User
 
volodaaaa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Posts: 3,236
Likes (Received): 1751

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattiG View Post
Original name? Vindobona? Parisium? Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium? Lugdunum? Treva? Juvavum?
I meant the name in majority language of the country the city is located within. The traffic signage must be as legible and clear as possible. Seriously, how many drivers would have clue if you posted Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium?
__________________
Been/drove my car in: SK, CZ, D, A, H, PL, I, F, E, RSM, CH, FL, SLO, HR, SRB, BiH, MK, GR, BG, RO


Road_UK liked this post
volodaaaa está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium