Iraqi Military News

[IraqiPlan_et]

MP Riad Ghraib: Iraq on the verge of buying aircraft budget 2012
September 18 2011


A member of the House of Representatives of the Commission services, Riad Ghraib in 2012, the budget does not include the addition of new service-projects, but each will be allocated to the purchase of aircraft.

The strange site N. breaking news on Saturday that "the Prime Minister will be allocated a proportion of funds in 2012 for the purchase of aircraft to protect the atmosphere and therefore no addition to the service-side."

He noted that "the rate of oil production of Iraq will remain a slight increase, so the 2012 budget did not stop to add new services, but will be allocated in part to sustain the projects launched in the current year and past years,"

He Ghraib, "working for the Parliamentary Service Commission to write a bill of infrastructure worth $ 37 billion, and will be submitted to the Council of episodes soon to read it."

[IraqiPlan_et]

France offers to sell 18 Mirage fighters to Iraq
September 22 2011




BAGHDAD: France has proposed to sell 18 Mirage fighters to Iraq, which is already negotiating a deal for U.S. F-16s to protect its skies after U.S. forces pull out at the end of this year, the French ambassador said Thursday.

“France has proposed to sell 18 Mirage F1 retrofitted aircraft that can be delivered from late 2011 and immediately operational because many Iraqi pilots were trained in the past on this type of plane,” Boris Boillon told AFP.
He said France was offering the multi-role planes for $1 billion.

Baghdad has been negotiating to buy 18 U.S.-made F-16s, and the Cabinet authorized Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki Wednesday to negotiate the terms of the first payment on the contract, a statement said.

Boillon said that because of the “modest” price tag, the Mirage offer would not affect the F-16 deal.

“This [Mirage] sale is in the context of a proposal on a comprehensive military air program that France has submitted to this country,” he added.

Iraq’s government spokesman said Thursday that Baghdad welcomed any offer. “Iraq needs to build up its air force and that needs tens of fighters to protect its sovereignty,” said Ali-al Dabbagh.

“Any origin of high quality with good offer will be welcomed taking in consideration that we need to unify the source of arming if they fulfill Iraq’s requirements,” he said, without disclosing the cost of the F-16 deal.

The Iraqi government “has submitted a letter of request for 18 F-16s and packages composed of spare parts, support equipment, weapons, logistics support and training,” said Captain Dan Churchill, a U.S. military spokesman in Iraq. The delivery and cost of the aircraft will be dependent upon a finalized purchase, which has not yet happened,” he said.

[sheytanElKebir]

Iraqplan_et that picture is of a Mirage 2000.

buying a mirage F1 in 2011 is insane. but not much more insane than buying an F16 (at least the F16s are new built units, rather than 35 year old airframes for $1Bn!).

madness.

If Iraq buys something, they must buy the best. Otherwise they will simply WASTE their money on these old junk (mirage F1 or F16). Pay big money now, and get hardware that will serve Iraq's defence needs for decades. But try and get such thinking out of the daawa donkeys who should have ordered aircraft already back in 2008-2009 for delivery about now....

[IraqiPlan_et]

oh ok I changed it


btw how do you know that these wont be newly built units like the F-16s, or rather, how do you know that they are 35 years old?

[iraqishi3i]

An Iraqi policeman wears a bomb squad protection uniform during a training session in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011.



Iraqi policemen patrol with their sniffer dogs during a training session in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011, near a poster showing Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al- Maliki .

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by IraqiPlan_et

oh ok I changed it


btw how do you know that these wont be newly built units like the F-16s, or rather, how do you know that they are 35 years old?

the french airforce stopped taking delivery of these about 25 years ago, now they are replacing them with rafales. these are ex-french aircraft about 35-30 years old.

[iraqishi3i]

didnt we have a lot of mirages back in saddams time?

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

didnt we have a lot of mirages back in saddams time?

yea. so? we also drove brazilis, do you suggest we buy scrap brazilis, paint them up and let them loose on the streets of baghdad in 2011?

[iraqishi3i]

no what i mean is are we considering buying the same mirages we had like in saddams time?

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

no what i mean is are we considering buying the same mirages we had like in saddams time?

yes indeed. The last time Iraq ordered these was in 1976 or 1977 I believe. They were delivered between 1980 to 1987. none remain in Iraq, but a few undergoing overhaul were stuck in France after 1990, these are now in a museum in France.

These are completely useless aircraft in this day and age. we're better off NOT having them and buying condoms with the $1Bn. Its ridiculus!

[elusive]

are they going to replace the posted everytime we have a new prime minister :S

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by elusive

are they going to replace the posted everytime we have a new prime minister :S

do you think they're planning on change?

[iraqishi3i]

Iraq Completes Deal to Buy F-16s

WASHINGTON—Iraq has finalized a deal to buy advanced U.S. fighter jets, the first step toward building a modern postwar air force, officials said.Iraq has yet to publicly announce completion of the deal to buy 18 F-16s, but officials in Washington said an initial payment of $1.5 billion has been received.

The deal is considered sensitive in Iraq, and the Pentagon and State Department have declined to comment until a formal announcement is made by Baghdad. Iraq had plans to buy the planes earlier in the year, but froze them for a time following the Arab Spring protests across the region.

The decision by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to go forward with the purchase followed an unexpected surge in government oil revenue, officials said.Iraq has said the 18 fighters would be the country's first installment. Baghdad hopes to buy as many as 36 jets in total, pending U.S. approval.

The U.S. believes the deal will help counter Iranian influences in Iraq and cement long-term ties with Baghdad after American troops pull out.

The planes are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. Laura Siebert, a Lockheed spokeswoman, referred questions on the sale of F-16s to the U.S. and Iraqi governments.

"Lockheed Martin is pleased with the confidence Iraq places in our products, and we look forward to a partnership with the government of Iraq," she said.

The sale of the jets to Iraq is expected to extend the production line at Lockheed's Fort Worth, Texas, manufacturing facility.

The Pentagon is scheduled to pull the roughly 45,000 remaining U.S. troops out of Iraq by Dec. 31. But talks are under way over maintaining a small U.S. troop presence. Many of those troops would likely focus on training Iraqi security forces on how to use and maintain the new aircraft and other systems.

The original deal between the U.S. and Iraq for 18 F-16s, which was clinched last fall, had a potential price of up to $4.2 billion, including parts, spares, training and related weaponry.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...420928050.html

[Ali_as]

Great news!

It's about time our neighbours know we are a force to be reckoned with, so they cannot go shelling communities when they feel like it, or take our land etc.

[Ali_as]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

Iraqplan_et that picture is of a Mirage 2000.

buying a mirage F1 in 2011 is insane. but not much more insane than buying an F16 (at least the F16s are new built units, rather than 35 year old airframes for $1Bn!).

madness.

If Iraq buys something, they must buy the best. Otherwise they will simply WASTE their money on these old junk (mirage F1 or F16). Pay big money now, and get hardware that will serve Iraq's defence needs for decades. But try and get such thinking out of the daawa donkeys who should have ordered aircraft already back in 2008-2009 for delivery about now....

I know that mirages are old and Iraq should forget about them. But, sheytan do you think that the F-16 are a bad idea?

Afterall, Saudi Arabia will buy F-15s, and other countries still use the aircraft despite the fact that it is over 30 years old.

[IraqiPlan_et]

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[IraqiPlan_et]

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

Iraq Completes Deal to Buy F-16s

WASHINGTON—Iraq has finalized a deal to buy advanced U.S. fighter jets, the first step toward building a modern postwar air force, officials said.Iraq has yet to publicly announce completion of the deal to buy 18 F-16s, but officials in Washington said an initial payment of $1.5 billion has been received.

The deal is considered sensitive in Iraq, and the Pentagon and State Department have declined to comment until a formal announcement is made by Baghdad. Iraq had plans to buy the planes earlier in the year, but froze them for a time following the Arab Spring protests across the region.

The decision by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to go forward with the purchase followed an unexpected surge in government oil revenue, officials said.Iraq has said the 18 fighters would be the country's first installment. Baghdad hopes to buy as many as 36 jets in total, pending U.S. approval.

The U.S. believes the deal will help counter Iranian influences in Iraq and cement long-term ties with Baghdad after American troops pull out.

The planes are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. Laura Siebert, a Lockheed spokeswoman, referred questions on the sale of F-16s to the U.S. and Iraqi governments.

"Lockheed Martin is pleased with the confidence Iraq places in our products, and we look forward to a partnership with the government of Iraq," she said.

The sale of the jets to Iraq is expected to extend the production line at Lockheed's Fort Worth, Texas, manufacturing facility.

The Pentagon is scheduled to pull the roughly 45,000 remaining U.S. troops out of Iraq by Dec. 31. But talks are under way over maintaining a small U.S. troop presence. Many of those troops would likely focus on training Iraqi security forces on how to use and maintain the new aircraft and other systems.

The original deal between the U.S. and Iraq for 18 F-16s, which was clinched last fall, had a potential price of up to $4.2 billion, including parts, spares, training and related weaponry.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...420928050.html

I read somewhere that they're planning on buying 96 F-16s

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

Iraq Completes Deal to Buy F-16s

WASHINGTON—Iraq has finalized a deal to buy advanced U.S. fighter jets, the first step toward building a modern postwar air force, officials said.Iraq has yet to publicly announce completion of the deal to buy 18 F-16s, but officials in Washington said an initial payment of $1.5 billion has been received.

The deal is considered sensitive in Iraq, and the Pentagon and State Department have declined to comment until a formal announcement is made by Baghdad. Iraq had plans to buy the planes earlier in the year, but froze them for a time following the Arab Spring protests across the region.

The decision by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to go forward with the purchase followed an unexpected surge in government oil revenue, officials said.Iraq has said the 18 fighters would be the country's first installment. Baghdad hopes to buy as many as 36 jets in total, pending U.S. approval.

The U.S. believes the deal will help counter Iranian influences in Iraq and cement long-term ties with Baghdad after American troops pull out.

The planes are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. Laura Siebert, a Lockheed spokeswoman, referred questions on the sale of F-16s to the U.S. and Iraqi governments.

"Lockheed Martin is pleased with the confidence Iraq places in our products, and we look forward to a partnership with the government of Iraq," she said.

The sale of the jets to Iraq is expected to extend the production line at Lockheed's Fort Worth, Texas, manufacturing facility.

The Pentagon is scheduled to pull the roughly 45,000 remaining U.S. troops out of Iraq by Dec. 31. But talks are under way over maintaining a small U.S. troop presence. Many of those troops would likely focus on training Iraqi security forces on how to use and maintain the new aircraft and other systems.

The original deal between the U.S. and Iraq for 18 F-16s, which was clinched last fall, had a potential price of up to $4.2 billion, including parts, spares, training and related weaponry.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...420928050.html

Now this is some good damn news to cheer up my day! As for the mirages, I think the F-1 are too old to be even considered. I think the Mirage 2000s are good fighters, UAE had a good pile of them, but they sold it all to Egypt (low prices) and replaced them with F-16 block 52. Btw, the F-16s come in blocks, those blocks include the kind of technology they are equipped with. Israel usually uses blocks 55 and 56 I think. Now, we should know what kind of blocks we are going to be ALLOWED to buy.

Also, we should consider the tornadoes and Rafals for more firepower. But, still I think if we should choose between Rafals and Mirage 2000 planes, I would go for M2000! those things got great aerobatics.

[FromBaghdadWithLove]

Originally Posted by Basrawii

Now this is some good damn news to cheer up my day! As for the mirages, I think the F-1 are too old to be even considered. I think the Mirage 2000s are good fighters, UAE had a good pile of them, but they sold it all to Egypt (low prices) and replaced them with F-16 block 52. Btw, the F-16s come in blocks, those blocks include the kind of technology they are equipped with. Israel usually uses blocks 55 and 56 I think. Now, we should know what kind of blocks we are going to be ALLOWED to buy.

Also, we should consider the tornadoes and Rafals for more firepower. But, still I think if we should choose between Rafals and Mirage 2000 planes, I would go for M2000! those things got great aerobatics.

Yeah Mirages 2000 planes served in qatar, uae , egypt, china, brazil .. other places cant remember

anyways if you read the article, it has a keywords "pending us approval" about the 36 jets which

** also just question, you guys ever think Iraqi army will be able to regain its strength? and also, you think their should be like "army service" for all male citizens of iraq who can be eligible? Just wondering what your ideas are?

[sheytanElKebir]

Israeli F16s are modified locally in Israel and not comparable to "blocks".
UAE F16s are Block 60 and equipped with AMRAAM, HMCS, AIM-9X.
Iraqi F16s are Block 52, but DOWNGRADED with AIM-7 missiles and AIM-9M (i.e. useless against ALL NEIGHBOURS!). It has the armament of a Block-25 in case you're wondering!

There's absolutely no point buying these aircraft since they cannot protect Iraq from ANY neighbour. Simple answer.

Same for Mirage F1 dinosaurs. should not even be thought of... but seeing the "new Iraq" seriously talking about these aircraft makes me sigh.

Mirage-2000 would have been an OK stop gap measure.

The only aircraft of use for Iraq are:
Typhoon
Rafale
F35
SU35

and maybe a cheap "low end" aircraft like :
T50
JF17
MiG35



with regards to "rebuilding" Iraq's military. Its impossible, since Iraq went "professional" army, the payroll is sucking up all the MOD budget leaving very little for armament purchases or local manufacture. but can we expect mr sibah and his cohort of illiterates to fathom any of this?