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So what's the status on the new building? Has it been approved?
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APPLE to HAVE 5MW SOLAR ROOF
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Good idea with solar on the roof.
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Apple Market Cap Reaches $514 Billion
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Pretty damn incredible. Great design and practicality.
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www.thesanjoseblog.com Last edited by Animo; July 12th, 2012 at 09:06 PM. Reason: no need to quote it again |
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Apple updates 'spaceship' plans
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...hip-plans.html Some new renderings from the City of Cupertino's website. http://www.cupertino.org/index.aspx?page=1107 ![]() ![]()
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I'm surprised to see so much support for this building in this forum, which usually calls out these kinds of sprawling corporate campuses that isolate huge chunks of land from the surrounding community. I truly hope that Apple will throw this design away and go back to the drawing board, for reasons that this article probably articulates better than I could:
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kb..._apple_is.html In short, while this design may be aesthetically innovative, it's functionally just another huge, isolated, completely car-dependent single-use sprawling corporate campus. Apple should really think about making their offices part of a community, not just a fenced-off enclave that will leave a huge hole in the urban fabric of the area. |
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I, for one, would be completely opposed to this in a central city. But it's in Cupertino which is basically a segment of the giant suburb known as Silicon Valley. I don't think the world would be a better place if we paved over everything and turned the entire planet into midtown Manhattan. There are places for that kind of density but Cupertino isn't one of them (downtown San Francisco and possibly even downtown San Jose are).What Apple is proposing is handing what we in the area call "the South Bay" a big bit of open space, all planted and landscaped, with their building inconspicuously (from the surrounding streets) in the center. It is not much different from a university campus and many of those are not only popular but well-used by their communities and beneficial to them. Meanwhile, while Apple workers will have to get to work for now by internal combustion engine (a surprising number of Silicon valley workers don't drive themselves but use company luxury shuttle busses), you can be pretty sure Apple will retrofit some sort of low emission tram, monorail or other service to the nearest transit stop if public transit in the Valley reaches the neighborhood. |
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![]() I have to respectfully disagree here. Opposing denser, mixed-use development in the name of "open space" is exactly what keeps holding Silicon Valley back from any real growth. What is "open space" anyway? Are parking lots "open space"? People seem to think so, because that's why we keep building these single-use office parks surrounded by acres of parking lots instead of building walkable, mixed-use communities. If we really want open space that the public can actually use, Apple should build some denser office buildings on one part of that lot and sell the rest back to the city to make a public park. All the landscaping you see in the current design? Not public. Its primary purpose is to act as a buffer that puts distance between the public and the actual buildings inside of it. Read here, there will be a fence surrounding the entire campus: http://www.officesnapshots.com/2012/...office-design/ A bunch of privately landscaped property sealed off from outsiders will add nothing to the community. That visually distinctive design? You'll never see it either because your view will be blocked by the trees, which nobody will be able to picnic or play soccer under because it's not a public park. Back to the integrated, walkable idea. Is asking for an integrated, walkable community the same as asking to turn the area into midtown Manhattan? Look at any place that has that coveted "small town charm." What you'll find are walkable, integrated communities, not acres and acres of fenced-off no-man's land. Besides, is a little more density not needed in this "giant suburb?" This area is one of the nation's primary hotbeds of job growth, where housing demand consistently outpaces supply. If any suburban area needed some urbanization, this would be it. Isn't it time to stop thinking like a giant suburb and start thinking like a city? Santa Clara County is already home to 1.8 million people anyway, so if you're expecting the area to be a quaint village, that train has already left the station long ago. |
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^ Agreed. The design looks cool, but it is so cut off from the surrounding area. This campus design is the opposite of Amazon. Does anyone have a good example of a suburban campus that integrates well into its community/surrounding area?
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How about @first in north San Jose? Still too much surface parking for the shopping center IMO, but at least the Brocade campus is fairly compact, has its parking in a structure in the rear, while all the shops and restaurants, not to mention 2 hotels (1 complete, 1 under construction) and the new apartment construction across the street are all within walking distance.
Or I remember seeing another proposal somewhere on the forum for a campus, I think in either San Jose or Santa Clara, that had a street with retail going through the middle and some recreational space between the office buildings. Can't seem to find it now though... |
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I read the article you linked, and agree with both the writer and you in spirit. However, from a practical standpoint the suggestions in the article are a pipe dream. I actually laughed out loud when the writer proposed that Apple build affordable housing. Since when has Apple done anything altruistic? I live in the south bay and cannot for the life of me remember Apple ever doing anything for the region or sponsoring a charity. I'm sure they must do *something*, but it's definitely not high on their priority list. They're in the business of making as much money as possible. Plus, Cupertino is the very definition of the south bay suburban lifestyle. Families pay millions of dollars to buy 50's and 60's era detached tract homes and send their kids to top-performing schools. They do not want "new urbanism". How do I know? Any new housing development is loudly opposed almost immediately by the community as soon as it's proposed. The arguments against are the usual: traffic, degrade the schools, etc. If you want to read some absolutely delicious NIMBY non-sense feast your eyes on these links: Concerned Citizens of Cupertino http://www.cupertino.cc/ Cupertino Cares http://www.cupertinocares.org/ Stop Condotino! http://www.freewebs.com/savevallco/ |
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Agreed, doing the right thing is never easy around here. Reading those NIMBY sentiments was rather depressing. How can a place synonymous with technology and innovation still be so backward thinking? Still important to push for change though, no matter how hard it may be to achieve. Maybe we need to appeal to the engineering sense in people: land is a limited and valuable resource, and higher density equals higher efficiency in using that resource. How do you justify anti-density NIMBYism to thousands of engineers?
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Seriously--what do you think integrates with suburban streets? This is not a place where people walk everywhere. It's not an urban neighborhood. And my understanding is that the Amazon HQ is in an urban, not suburban area. There are plenty of similar examples in the Bay Area, more often in denser/more urban San Francisco than is Silicon Valley. Among them are Twitter, Google's SF campus, Salesforce.com, Dolby Labs, Square and hundreds of others. |
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If all of that landscaping really was a public park that local residents, not just Apple employees, could enjoy for recreation, I would have no qualms with this proposal. But I just can't imagine Apple letting outsiders hang around on their property. I can't even imagine many Apple employees will utilize that "park" for recreation. Therefore, it's just going to end up as wasted space. They plant a bunch of trees to try to make it look like it's good for the environment, but unlike trees naturally growing in the forest, landscaped trees in the suburbs take energy and municipal water to maintain. If that was to provide recreational space that people could enjoy, that would be ok, but when people are only going to drive through it on the way to the parking garage... Anyway, the point is that with better design, Apple could build the same amount of office space and also do something positive for the community. If the community is dead-set on maintaining its suburban character, they could at least offer some public parkland instead of private landscaping with no purpose. They could also improve connectivity by splitting up the parcel into smaller blocks to allow thru traffic, so drivers don't have to drive all the way around the entire massive site. On the other hand, the community could realize that it's in the middle of a growing, major populated area, so allowing a slightly more urban character to develop would not be a bad thing. Again, nobody is proposing to turn Cupertino into midtown Manhattan, but what sense does it make to allow and encourage job growth without allowing any housing growth? More jobs than places to live just means people will have to live elsewhere and drive to work, so NIMBY arguments against housing because of traffic are debunked. Anyway, greater density and urbanization is going to have to occur somewhere in the south bay if job growth is to continue, and how to do that could be debated in another thread. For the sake of the south bay as a whole, I wish Cupertino would choose the latter path, although I concede there is little hope for that. But regardless of how Cupertino decides to grow, a huge, fenced-off area is not good for any kind of community, so I sincerely hope that Apple will reconsider its plans and build its offices in a more innovative and practical way. |
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So, it's not a park? My familiarity with Cupertino is nil, besides it being the home of Apple. It would be possible for a company, school, hospital, government entity, etc., to integrate itself better into a suburban setting. My question was meant to be broader, but clearly wasn't taken as such.
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