Toronto 2024 Olympic Bid - Page 6

allurban · July 13th, 2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by yin_yang

Laughing my ass off at the USOC bids...hahahaha. Istanbul would be amazing. I back that.

Istanbul would be great for celebrating "Turkishness", it would give the world a totally new look at a country that has an amazing history and straddles Europe and Asia, and it would be a great FU to the EU.

Cheers, m

Nouvellecosse · July 13th, 2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by yin_yang

Laughing my ass off at the USOC bids...hahahaha. Istanbul would be amazing. I back that.

Hey, if Atlanta can win...

allurban · July 13th, 2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Hey, if Atlanta can win...

Atlanta's win was a testament to the power of Coca~Cola ... and probably to the negativity of some Torontonians.

Cheers, m

***Taller, Better*** · July 13th, 2011, 06:51 PM

It was also the most widely panned Olympics, too, and held in contempt by most once it was finished.

blacktrojan3921 · July 13th, 2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Taller, Better

It was also the most widely panned Olympics, too, and held in contempt by most once it was finished.

I thought the most widely panned Olympics was Montreal 1976 and Athens 2004 :o

***Taller, Better*** · July 13th, 2011, 08:56 PM

that is news to me! I was under the impression that the Montreal Olympics were highly successful! I don't know anything about the Athen's Olympics. I did not watch it as I am uninterested in watching the Olympics on tv.

yin_yang · July 13th, 2011, 09:30 PM

Montreal and Athens both seemed okay (in my books, but maybe not the financial books, hehe). Atlanta was a bit of a bust. Really depends on who you talk to.

***Taller, Better*** · July 14th, 2011, 07:14 AM

Montreal was graft and overspending, in my opinion. I'll bet we hear more about unpaid bills for the Vancouver Olympics in the upcoming years.

Nouvellecosse · July 14th, 2011, 07:31 AM

Yup, Atlanta fell on its face, but the point is Olympic officials gave it the chance in the first place. So we can't assume that places like Dallas, Detroit, or Tulsa won't be given the same chance as much as we may lack confidence in their qualifications.

Olympic officials don't always have thought processes that we would agree with.

***Taller, Better*** · July 14th, 2011, 07:36 AM

Increasingly I see the only long term benefits are improved infrastructure. I don't think cities get any long-term spin other than that. I don't think Sydney or Athens or any other city gets increased long term tourism; in fact most cities get a Post Olympic slump in tourism. No one says:" I'm going to Atlanta because they held an Olympics".

Dimethyltryptamine · July 14th, 2011, 07:42 AM

Exactly that. There IS generally a slump in tourism after the Olympics. It took Sydney almost 10 years to fully recover (while growth in tourism was still steady, it was down on pre-Olympic growth). It's after that 10 or so years it all starts to pick back up. The Olympics more or less just put you on the map and in the front of the minds of people.

They're not always a great thing. I personally love the sporting aspect, not the tourism or dollars it brings in. I guess that the Australian in me.

***Taller, Better*** · July 14th, 2011, 06:56 PM

I think people overestimate the lasting effect of "putting a city on the map". It is unlikely anyone would be more or less eager to visit a city after an Olympics, than before; especially when they were back a decade or so. The connection gets lost quickly once the Closing Ceremony is finished, in this age of information barrage.

Australia launched the well known: "Where the bloody Hell are you?" ad campaign in response to falling tourism. It was one of the most expensive international advertising campaigns ever, and reviews of the effectiveness of it were...."mixed". Some people pointed out that it was basically advertising the lack of tourism, which is not really a "positive" draw.
Cities that hope for a boom in tourism after the Olympics are almost always disappointed.

blacktrojan3921 · July 15th, 2011, 12:30 AM

I do wonder though if Stephen Harper is going to support the bid; after crushing quite a few Edmontonian spirits by saying no to Expo 2017 to celebrate Canada's 150th birthday.

potiz81 · July 15th, 2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taller, Better

No one says:" I'm going to Atlanta because they held an Olympics".

Atlanta, no, but many people go to Athens because is the mother-city of the modern Olympics and sight-seeing there has a lot to do with the 1896 and 2004 venues.

***Taller, Better*** · July 16th, 2011, 05:53 PM

Well, rather obviously Greece is a tourist attraction, and has been for thousands of years. I don't think the recent Olympics made a hoot of difference to that. In the same way once the London Olympics are over, we can't credit them 10 years from now as being the reason people travel to London, because London has always been a big tourist draw.

Tuscani01 · July 16th, 2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taller, Better

Montreal was graft and overspending, in my opinion. I'll bet we hear more about unpaid bills for the Vancouver Olympics in the upcoming years.

Actually, Vancouver did well. PriceWatehouseCoopers did the final audit and determined they were on budget, which resulted in neither a deficit nor a surplus. The City and Province also walked away with close to $1 Billion in revenue as a result of hosting the games. (Tourist $'s and economic activity generated as a result)

***hkskyline*** · July 17th, 2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuscani01

Actually, Vancouver did well. PriceWatehouseCoopers did the final audit and determined they were on budget, which resulted in neither a deficit nor a surplus. The City and Province also walked away with close to $1 Billion in revenue as a result of hosting the games. (Tourist $'s and economic activity generated as a result)

Didn't they lose a lot of money on the athletes' village after bailing out the developer and now trying to sell the units?

blacktrojan3921 · July 20th, 2011, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hkskyline

Didn't they lose a lot of money on the athletes' village after bailing out the developer and now trying to sell the units?

Yeah they did lost alot of money on the village.

icemachine · July 20th, 2011, 04:10 AM

This seems to be one of the most recent stories that shows actual numbers...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1981177/

blacktrojan3921 · July 21st, 2011, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by icemachine

This seems to be one of the most recent stories that shows actual numbers...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1981177/

Weeeeelll; at least it's not in the billions like the Big Owe. If the losses stay below $750 million dollars I think Vancouver would come out of the post Olympics with only a few scrapes and bruises.

July 13th, 2011, 06:51 PM	#104
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	It was also the most widely panned Olympics, too, and held in contempt by most once it was finished. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 13th, 2011, 08:56 PM	#106
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	that is news to me! I was under the impression that the Montreal Olympics were highly successful! I don't know anything about the Athen's Olympics. I did not watch it as I am uninterested in watching the Olympics on tv. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 14th, 2011, 07:14 AM	#108
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	Montreal was graft and overspending, in my opinion. I'll bet we hear more about unpaid bills for the Vancouver Olympics in the upcoming years. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 14th, 2011, 07:36 AM	#110
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	Increasingly I see the only long term benefits are improved infrastructure. I don't think cities get any long-term spin other than that. I don't think Sydney or Athens or any other city gets increased long term tourism; in fact most cities get a Post Olympic slump in tourism. No one says:" I'm going to Atlanta because they held an Olympics". __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 14th, 2011, 06:56 PM	#112
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	I think people overestimate the lasting effect of "putting a city on the map". It is unlikely anyone would be more or less eager to visit a city after an Olympics, than before; especially when they were back a decade or so. The connection gets lost quickly once the Closing Ceremony is finished, in this age of information barrage. Australia launched the well known: "Where the bloody Hell are you?" ad campaign in response to falling tourism. It was one of the most expensive international advertising campaigns ever, and reviews of the effectiveness of it were...."mixed". Some people pointed out that it was basically advertising the lack of tourism, which is not really a "positive" draw. Cities that hope for a boom in tourism after the Olympics are almost always disappointed. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 13th, 2011, 09:30 PM	#107
yin_yang Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,556 Likes (Received): 3	Montreal and Athens both seemed okay (in my books, but maybe not the financial books, hehe). Atlanta was a bit of a bust. Really depends on who you talk to.

July 14th, 2011, 07:31 AM	#109
Nouvellecosse ~ Mysterious Entity ~ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 3,581 Likes (Received): 24	Yup, Atlanta fell on its face, but the point is Olympic officials gave it the chance in the first place. So we can't assume that places like Dallas, Detroit, or Tulsa won't be given the same chance as much as we may lack confidence in their qualifications. Olympic officials don't always have thought processes that we would agree with.

July 14th, 2011, 07:42 AM	#111
Dimethyltryptamine Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,637 Likes (Received): 420	Exactly that. There IS generally a slump in tourism after the Olympics. It took Sydney almost 10 years to fully recover (while growth in tourism was still steady, it was down on pre-Olympic growth). It's after that 10 or so years it all starts to pick back up. The Olympics more or less just put you on the map and in the front of the minds of people. They're not always a great thing. I personally love the sporting aspect, not the tourism or dollars it brings in. I guess that the Australian in me.

July 15th, 2011, 12:30 AM	#113
blacktrojan3921 Yes, that is my face~ Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Regina, SK Posts: 217 Likes (Received): 8	I do wonder though if Stephen Harper is going to support the bid; after crushing quite a few Edmontonian spirits by saying no to Expo 2017 to celebrate Canada's 150th birthday.

July 16th, 2011, 05:53 PM	#115
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,768 Likes (Received): 282	Well, rather obviously Greece is a tourist attraction, and has been for thousands of years. I don't think the recent Olympics made a hoot of difference to that. In the same way once the London Olympics are over, we can't credit them 10 years from now as being the reason people travel to London, because London has always been a big tourist draw. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

July 20th, 2011, 04:10 AM	#119
icemachine Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Richmond Hill Posts: 458 Likes (Received): 0	This seems to be one of the most recent stories that shows actual numbers... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1981177/

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