San Austin metroplex??

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by TU 'cane

I can't remember the specifics, I just remember it was mentioned on here before. I think it had more to do with suburbs such as Denton and Sherman depending on their growth. Or, perhaps the highway 75 corridor between McKinney and Sherman? Still, as you said, it would be a stretch. But, with current water issues going on, people may migrate north closer to the Red River along the border?

Back to the topic, how is New Braunfels growing? Steady at least?

I did a thread on this phenomenon created by the relationship between two parallel running thoroughfares in north Dallas with Dallas Parkway referred to as the "Platinum Corridor" for office buildings and with Preston Road referred to as the "Golden Corridor" for shopping. This area stretches for 23 miles from downtown Dallas all the way to Frisco. While this stretch has more office space than in all of downtown Dallas, it contains most of the city's upscale shopping while Northpark represents the lone exception as it is located nearby on Central Expressway. There are lots of expensive homes within and near this stretch.
What amazes people are the expensive homes now being built in Prosper and Celina north of both the Stonebriar commercial shopping district, and highway 380 while they are contained within this same remarkable stretch formed by an ever expanding Dallas Parkway (tollway) bordering to the west and Preston Road (289) bordering to the east furthering demand for even more upscale shopping in the future.

[ardamir]

Originally Posted by hudkina

San Antonio and Austin will not merge anytime soon. Everyone who thinks otherwise needs to check out the massive urban expanse that runs between New York and Philadelphia and realize that even those two areas are considered separate. Now go and look at the land between San Antonio and Austin and realize just how impossible it is for a merger to occur in our lifetime if ever.

You would be shocked at the rate of growth in the communities between the two. The population of Texas is expected to double before 2030. Well over half of the growth will occur along the I-35 corridor.

[rcp11889]

Just because the state is growing and there is suburban big box growth on the I-35 corridor does not mean that those 2 cities will become some "metroplex". I really just don't understand all these stupid terms like "San Austinonio" etc..Cities and Metro areas are bound by one principal city. There is absolutely no possibility that Austin and San Antonio will become some mega-region or whatever the buzz word is. There places will surely continue to grow but that in NO way means that they will form a metroplex. And, like I said before I just don't get why people would even want that to happen. Instead, I think people should be hoping for both cities to grown their urban cores and offer good amenities in the city instead of building out and out and out.

[Ian604]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

If North Dallas did grow all the way into Oklahoma, figure the metropolitan area would have about 30 million people in it. Now if you are talking about just a corridor area between Dallas Parkway and Preston Road growing all the way to stretch into Oklahoma one day, it wouldn't surprise me.

This will never happen. Not in our lifetimes. A 30,000,000 person Dallas CSA would be 8,000,000 people larger than NYC. Not happening.

[Ian604]

Originally Posted by rcp11889

And honestly, I think most people that wish or expect these types of things to happen are just way too optimistic. Like I said before, the growth will have to stop eventually. Just because cities are growing fast does not mean that they will just grow and grow until they meet another city. Things like that don't happen. At the same time, everyone is so optimistic about growth in the urban core. So, which is it? Will cities continue to grow outward until some giant area is formed or will they see growth in the city themselves. I, for one, believe in cities, not suburbs.

Texas is going to have some serious revenue issues in the near future due to the exact reason for this kind of growth. Low-to-no taxes. When the revenue crisis, which is coming, hits Texas and it can no longer maintain its infrastructure it will coming slow down pretty seriously. Our economies are built on bubbles these days and Texas is a bubble which is great right now. But bubbles burst and it gets ugly for a little while afterward.

[Panteran]

^ The luxury of having low taxes, is if you're short you can pull emergency strings to start taxing vs a place already highly taxed. Where would new revenue come from? And I think his comment about Dallas having 30 million people metro was sarcastic.

Aside, Austin is trying hard to build it's own image. I don't think it would enjoy banding together with SA. It is also a state capitol which politically provides a barrier between the two cities beyond physical level imo.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Panteran

^ The luxury of having low taxes, is if you're short you can pull emergency strings to start taxing vs a place already highly taxed. Where would new revenue come from? And I think his comment about Dallas having 30 million people metro was sarcastic.

Aside, Austin is trying hard to build it's own image. I don't think it would enjoy banding together with SA. It is also a state capitol which politically provides a barrier between the two cities beyond physical level imo.

The prediction of 30 million takes into account the 20 million in the Los Angeles metropolitan area divided by total square miles. If the boundaries of the Dallas area one day reached up into Oklahoma, I was just predicting the DFW area would be a third larger than the Los Angeles area.
However, I think the argument is that the corridors of Preston Road and the Dallas Parkway will one day stretch all the way to the Oklahoma border and beyond.

[Ian604]

Originally Posted by Panteran

^ The luxury of having low taxes, is if you're short you can pull emergency strings to start taxing vs a place already highly taxed. Where would new revenue come from? And I think his comment about Dallas having 30 million people metro was sarcastic.

Aside, Austin is trying hard to build it's own image. I don't think it would enjoy banding together with SA. It is also a state capitol which politically provides a barrier between the two cities beyond physical level imo.

That sounds good in theory but in practice its not quite so easy. The ideological low tax crowd is in control of Texas right now. This ideological view holds the belief that cutting taxes, no matter how much, no matter what kind of taxes, brings economic growth. raising taxes, even temporarily, even a little, will be a very very hard sell politically.

[ardamir]

Originally Posted by Ian604

Texas is going to have some serious revenue issues in the near future due to the exact reason for this kind of growth. Low-to-no taxes. When the revenue crisis, which is coming, hits Texas and it can no longer maintain its infrastructure it will coming slow down pretty seriously. Our economies are built on bubbles these days and Texas is a bubble which is great right now. But bubbles burst and it gets ugly for a little while afterward.

You do realize that Texas is already facing a +$25 billion budget shortfall?

[ardamir]

Originally Posted by rcp11889

Just because the state is growing and there is suburban big box growth on the I-35 corridor does not mean that those 2 cities will become some "metroplex". I really just don't understand all these stupid terms like "San Austinonio" etc..Cities and Metro areas are bound by one principal city. There is absolutely no possibility that Austin and San Antonio will become some mega-region or whatever the buzz word is. There places will surely continue to grow but that in NO way means that they will form a metroplex. And, like I said before I just don't get why people would even want that to happen. Instead, I think people should be hoping for both cities to grown their urban cores and offer good amenities in the city instead of building out and out and out.

Define metroplex. I thought it was a large urban area that encompasses several cities and suburbs.

*I do have a correction. The population of Texas is expected to double by 2050 to over 50 million. Population projections for Hays and Comal counties expect doubling by 2030, reaching 500,000.

No one is claiming that either city will lose its identity. The fact is that San Antonio and Austin are becoming more economically connected each year and the growth reflects that. I agree with you that I would much rather have higher density in existing urban cores and see the advancement of intra-urban commuter infrastructure. But this is Texas...

[Ian604]

Originally Posted by ardamir

You do realize that Texas is already facing a +$25 billion budget shortfall?

I knew it was big but i wasn't sure how big. A lot of states are facing major shortfalls. Just to clarify, I don't see a Detroit or Michigan type of freefall in the future for Texas but I don't think the type of growth you're seeing now will last much longer. That's going to bring the growth of the Austin-San Antonio corridor down a notch.

We were projected to have a pretty significant shortfall in Kentucky but revenue took a sharp uptick lately that looks to cover most of it. Does Texas have a plan to cover the shortfall. I don't see it being possible to cut 25 billion out of the state's budget.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Ian604

This will never happen. Not in our lifetimes. A 30,000,000 person Dallas CSA would be 8,000,000 people larger than NYC. Not happening.

I'm not saying it will ever happen. I'm saying the potential for the stretch created by the Platinum Corridor of Dallas Parkway and the Golden Corridor of Preston Road could extend that distance someday. For this to happen, there needs to be more upscale housing built. Those are already being built in the cities of Prosper and Celina which are located, get this, north of 380! As it stands now, there is a string of impressive shopping located along every significant crossroads for the length of 23 miles beginning at Highland Park Village north of downtown located at the intersection of Preston Road and Mockingbird Road, then continuing on to Preston Center located at the intersection of Loop 12 and Preston Road, to the Dallas Galleria located at the LBJ Freeway and Dallas Parkway, to the Shops at Briar Creek located at the Bush Freeway and Dallas Parkway, and ending at Stonebriar located at 121 and Preston Road.
The next real estate expansion is expected to take place north of there at 380 between Dallas Parkway and Preston Road.
This is what they are talking about.
If the expansion of this stretch fuels the expansion of the Central Expressway Corridor as well, the population could become quite impressive indeed.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by ardamir

Define metroplex. I thought it was a large urban area that encompasses several cities and suburbs.

*I do have a correction. The population of Texas is expected to double by 2050 to over 50 million. Population projections for Hays and Comal counties expect doubling by 2030, reaching 500,000.

No one is claiming that either city will lose its identity. The fact is that San Antonio and Austin are becoming more economically connected each year and the growth reflects that. I agree with you that I would much rather have higher density in existing urban cores and see the advancement of intra-urban commuter infrastructure. But this is Texas...

Metroplex was a term made up to market the Dallas - Fort Worth area specifically. With DFW airport residing at both the geographical center and at the population center of the metropolitan area, the name really fits.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Ian604

I knew it was big but i wasn't sure how big. A lot of states are facing major shortfalls. Just to clarify, I don't see a Detroit or Michigan type of freefall in the future for Texas but I don't think the type of growth you're seeing now will last much longer. That's going to bring the growth of the Austin-San Antonio corridor down a notch.

We were projected to have a pretty significant shortfall in Kentucky but revenue took a sharp uptick lately that looks to cover most of it. Does Texas have a plan to cover the shortfall. I don't see it being possible to cut 25 billion out of the state's budget.

Being as our society is almost halfway to acheiving perfection as well as equality where every baby is born, not black and white, beloved forum members, but a golden brown, it would be a shame for us to run out of money. We are so close! You would think they could just counterfeit a lot more of it. Better yet, couldn't they just claim to have counterfeited it as this would save millions and billions of future trees! It would seem we could just write IOU's to future generations of our posteriety so they could pay them off in increments which would save lots of paper!
See, I don't think we can afford to sustain a Utopia for very long, but we could acheive a snapshot of it. Indeed, if our leaders would just be willing to save money by wearing peasant uniforms like they do over in communist China, all that savings could be added together and compounded. Ultimatelty, that dream of perfection could be reached where every citizen was riding around in a limosine and living within a twenty room mansion with five and a half bathrooms!
Then right before it all fell apart desolving into reality, beloved forum members, we could then preserve it by taking pictures to upload them in encyclopedias on the World Wide Web so an eternity of future generations can enjoy it. I have a dream!
I'm just saying.

[DennisRodman817]

Originally Posted by hudkina

San Antonio and Austin will not merge anytime soon. Everyone who thinks otherwise needs to check out the massive urban expanse that runs between New York and Philadelphia and realize that even those two areas are considered separate. Now go and look at the land between San Antonio and Austin and realize just how impossible it is for a merger to occur in our lifetime if ever.

[ardamir]

Originally Posted by Ian604

I knew it was big but i wasn't sure how big. A lot of states are facing major shortfalls. Just to clarify, I don't see a Detroit or Michigan type of freefall in the future for Texas but I don't think the type of growth you're seeing now will last much longer. That's going to bring the growth of the Austin-San Antonio corridor down a notch.

We were projected to have a pretty significant shortfall in Kentucky but revenue took a sharp uptick lately that looks to cover most of it. Does Texas have a plan to cover the shortfall. I don't see it being possible to cut 25 billion out of the state's budget.

The fight over budget cuts have been very nasty, with health and education being the hardest hit. Business leaders brag about the state lacking a personal or corporate income tax as a huge plus in attracting jobs but it also makes the state vulnerable to wild swings in revenue.

[rcp11889]

Can someone give me an example of any other place besides Dallas that is like this? This kind of thing just doesn't really happen.

[DennisRodman817]

Originally Posted by rcp11889

Can someone give me an example of any other place besides Dallas that is like this? This kind of thing just doesn't really happen.

Minneapolis & st paul?

[Ian604]

Originally Posted by rcp11889

Can someone give me an example of any other place besides Dallas that is like this? This kind of thing just doesn't really happen.

San Francisco-Oakland
Raleigh-Durham
Tampa-St. Petersburg

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by rcp11889

Can someone give me an example of any other place besides Dallas that is like this? This kind of thing just doesn't really happen.

Yes, DFW airport is what makes the Dallas - Fort Worth area different. If you are from outside of the area, understand that the Dallas / Fort Worth area is really three cities with one of them illegitimate. In other words, there are a million people living between the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth making it different from Minneapolis / St. Paul. While the population of Arlington is approaching 400,000, DFW airport, located just to that city's north, happens to be located in the middle of the Metropolitan area, by freak chance, positioned both at the geographical and population center of it. Or, think about it this way, as a designated "airport city," DFW airport has six fortune 500 companies located around it.
The Dallas - Fort Worth area is truly one market with DFW airport at the center of it, while the San Jose / San Francisco / Oakland area has located at the center of it a huge bay. So, the Bay Area isn't a single market.

Fortune 500 companies located around DFW airport.
1) American Airlines - Fort Worth
2) ExxonMobil - Irving
3) Gamestop - Grapevine
4) Flour Corp. - Irving
5) Kimberly-Clark - Irving
6) Commercial Metals - Irving