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Old December 22nd, 2016, 02:04 PM   #2141
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I notice that the workers seem to have put up large sections of plywood to enclose some of the openings in the Schluterhof and other places where they are working. In America, that would be done to reduce wind on the site and allow for some heating in the work areas. Is that the same there in Germany?
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 09:09 PM   #2142
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All statues adorning the palace will be copies.
The original statues will be displayed in the lapidarium:
Were the original statues found buried in the Eastern suburbs of Berlin, or am I thinking of something else?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 04:27 PM   #2143
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Would I be right in saying all the brick work is done apart from the Schluterhof? What's left is stone?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 05:31 PM   #2144
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really nice park tilings there
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 10:36 PM   #2145
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:04 PM   #2146
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It is rather unusual that the Bund finances the complete reconstruction of such a building. Yet in Berlin, it is kinda different. The whole museum island has little to nothing to do with the State of Berlin. All museums are run by the Prussian heritage foundation which itself is run by the Bund and all german states together.
So it seems to me, that federal politicians are very unhappy about the efforts made by the Berlin state to designe the surroundings of the Castle. So they decided to offer a lot of money to get things going the way they like it. They also offered to finance the reconstruction of the colonnades of the imperial national monument as well as the relocation and renovation of the Neptun fountain. Both is not appreciated by the new left leaning senate.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:17 PM   #2147
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It is a rather unusual that the Bund finances the complete reconstruction of such a building. Yet in Berlin, it is kinda different. The whole museum island has little to nothing to do with the State of Berlin. All museums are run by the Prussian heritage foundation which itself is run by the Bund and all german states together.
So it seems to me, that federal politicians are very unhappy about the efforts made by the Berlin state to designe the surroundings of the Castle. So they decided to offer a lot of money to get things going the way they like it. They also offered to finance the reconstruction of the colonnades of the imperial national monument as well as the relocation and renovation of the Neptun fountain. Both is not appreciated by the new left leaning senate.
But will it still happen? Can Senate actually stop those projects from happening? I am quite enthusiastic about the colonnades and the Neptune fountain, we all knew Bauakademie was going to happen eventually, while these two were quite improbable. Also, I can't imagine them putting the statue of the Kaiser Wilhelm I there, it will be interesting to see what will replace it.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:55 PM   #2148
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If Berlin says no then it won't happen.
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Old December 24th, 2016, 12:16 AM   #2149
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Were the original statues found buried in the Eastern suburbs of Berlin, or am I thinking of something else?
I think you were refering to the Lenin's colossal statue.
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Old December 24th, 2016, 04:39 AM   #2150
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It is rather unusual that the Bund finances the complete reconstruction of such a building. Yet in Berlin, it is kinda different. The whole museum island has little to nothing to do with the State of Berlin. All museums are run by the Prussian heritage foundation which itself is run by the Bund and all german states together.
So it seems to me, that federal politicians are very unhappy about the efforts made by the Berlin state to designe the surroundings of the Castle. So they decided to offer a lot of money to get things going the way they like it. They also offered to finance the reconstruction of the colonnades of the imperial national monument as well as the relocation and renovation of the Neptun fountain. Both is not appreciated by the new left leaning senate.
I hope they are voted out, the communist left don't care about history, and only want to do as Marx said, which is to destroy the past, so that we can never go back to our roots! Like with killing the Czar, and all royal families. The only good thing about buildings, is that they can be rebuilt.
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Old December 26th, 2016, 11:47 PM   #2151
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I hope they are voted out, the communist left don't care about history, and only want to do as Marx said, which is to destroy the past, so that we can never go back to our roots! Like with killing the Czar, and all royal families. The only good thing about buildings, is that they can be rebuilt.
The Fascist Right has never destroyed historic buildings? Right wing nationalists didn't destroy Warsaw; bleeding heart liberals firebombed Dresden and Rotterdam? LOL.

Clearly you aren't American. If you were, you'd see American cities decimated by Right-wing Capitalists who destroy the landscape and buildings with NO concern for history.

You can wrap yourself in a nationalist, Trumpian, flag, and congratulate yourself for thinking you are masters of the universe, but rewriting history to comport to your narrow, hate-filled, agenda, is too easy to expose.
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Old December 27th, 2016, 01:06 AM   #2152
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Exactly. Check what they did to Penn Station in NYC
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Old December 27th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #2153
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Exactly. Check what they did to Penn Station in NYC
The list is endless...and they conveniently forget Warsaw, Dresden, Rotterdam, etc.. Cue the revisionists who will now claim that Hitler was a "bleeding-heart liberal leftist".
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Old December 27th, 2016, 01:13 AM   #2154
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Rotterdam was way too destroyed and the paradigm in the 50-60s was to innovate, not to rebuild
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Old December 28th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #2155
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The Fascist Right has never destroyed historic buildings? Right wing nationalists didn't destroy Warsaw; bleeding heart liberals firebombed Dresden and Rotterdam? LOL.

Clearly you aren't American. If you were, you'd see American cities decimated by Right-wing Capitalists who destroy the landscape and buildings with NO concern for history.

You can wrap yourself in a nationalist, Trumpian, flag, and congratulate yourself for thinking you are masters of the universe, but rewriting history to comport to your narrow, hate-filled, agenda, is too easy to expose.
Those were the Allied B-17 that did the work, and cities destroyed during war for strategic advantages shouldn't count.

Mostly all historic buildings in Germany were preserved by the extreme right national socialists.

Communists are the ones who are rewriting history to divide everything into classes. "Oh Cinderella is a hate filled story of class warefare!" Please, get real.

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The list is endless...and they conveniently forget Warsaw, Dresden, Rotterdam, etc.. Cue the revisionists who will now claim that Hitler was a "bleeding-heart liberal leftist".
That was during WWII, and those cities were mostly bombed by the Allied B-17 raids.

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Exactly. Check what they did to Penn Station in NYC
Those were capitalists, and that was back in the 60's. Just because some capitalists did that, doesn't mean that all capitalists hate history. The reds hated our history even more and destroyed even more buildings.
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Сталин wrote: Those were the Allied B-17 that did the work, and cities destroyed during war for strategic advantages shouldn't count.

The historic centers of Berlin, Dresden, Warsaw, and Rotterdam were "strategic"? OK.


Сталин wrote: Mostly all historic buildings in Germany were preserved by the extreme right national socialists.


Have you bothered to look at the post war plans for Germania? Linz? Munich? Warsaw?


Communists are the ones who are rewriting history to divide everything into classes.

Capitalists don't divide people into classes??? ROFL Have you flown on a commercial airliner? So you're saying that social and economic classes are a myth? You are a product of Putin's propaganda.

That was during WWII, and those cities were mostly bombed by the Allied B-17 raids.

So, you agree, guns kill people not people using guns kill people.

Those were capitalists, and that was back in the 60's. Just because some capitalists did that, doesn't mean that all capitalists hate history. The reds hated our history even more and destroyed even more buildings.

What is "our history"? You aren't American and your family is not from the United States. I'm a 10th generation American, and it's not communists who destroyed our historic buildings, cities, and landscapes; capitalists did that all by themselves.

Check back with us in 50 years and let's see how well Moscow and St. Petersburg have held up to the Putin/Trump regime. If you are under the delusion that capitalist are going to put "history" before profit, you don't know anything about capitalism.


To be fair to every one else, Сталин, we should take this discussion outside the Forum.
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Rotterdam was way too destroyed and the paradigm in the 50-60s was to innovate, not to rebuild
Indeed -- I think they were also under tremendous pressure to rebuilt housing and commercial facilities destroyed in the war? Function mattered more than form -- out of necessity.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:40 AM   #2158
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what is this political dispute in this thread?
let's get back to the beautiful Stadtschloss, please.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #2159
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Now, that the year is finishing, it would be nice to see a before and after. From the first of January and the last days on December, to see the evolution of the works!
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Old December 30th, 2016, 01:21 AM   #2160
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[I][B]What is "our history"? You aren't American and your family is not from the United States. I'm a 10th generation American, and it's not communists who destroyed our historic buildings, cities, and landscapes; capitalists did that all by themselves.
Your lineage does not necessarily give any more credence to your point of view than a new immigrant or a non American. I'm sure you agree.

That said, since the USA has never been a communist country, how could any of the development in the last 300+ years been by communists (or 150 years since communism was 'invented' in the mid 19 century)? But, the most leftist city in the nation, San Francisco, has had perhaps the most changed cityscape in all the US over the last 30 years. All with the encouragement of the hardcore left democrat party city government. The entire appearance and feel of the city is changed with great loss of classic structures. When it comes to real estate development, we usually have lots of people with various political labels with their hands on the money.
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