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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #261
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Most of the building is okay, but I do not like the pastiche front towards the spree river. I wish modernists would realize that they do not longer live in the '20s with Bauhaus and did not produce these kitsch patchworks of a bygone era.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #262
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Day of the open construction field:

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(Bild in Originalgröße: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/file...bf-5a-eecc.jpg)


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Ich möchte jetzt nicht alle als Bilder posten, deswegen hier der Rest:

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Old June 17th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #263
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Authentic historic reconstructions, however, are something completely different from Neuschwanstein or the Palace of Westminster. They rely on the fact that the reconstructed buildings actually existed at these places in a well-known form for a long time and are closely linked to the culture and history of a certain city or region. The unnatural thing was that these buildings were destroyed, not that they are now being reconstructed.
That!

The whole discussion is futile, as long as modernists don't reckon people's need to restore the natural (built and unbuilt) beauty of their environment. It's a strong and deep emotional desire, far from being superficial.

Germany lost so much that we could easily be busy reconstructing the next 500 years. That may not be necessary, but we definitely need more visible links to our great history (aside the WWs), tradition and culture.

Every nation has this need.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #264
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The unnatural thing was that these buildings were destroyed, not that they are now being reconstructed.
Rubbish. Buildings (and cities) have always been destroyed and new ones have been built, which were larger, more modern / grand / beautiful than the previous ones.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #265
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You really can't compare any of the former wars to the devastating "zero hour" of WW2 and modernist, bland and efficient rebuilding afterwards.

It was breaking with any of the former cultural and aesthetic values, disrupting a centennial continuation in aesthetic standards. That's why our cities today often feel so rootless.

Reconstruction is a valid option here. Would you have preferred a completely modernist Danzig, Warsaw, Münster, München, Rothenburg or Ypern over reconstructed old towns?

Surely, such a statement could be considered rubbish then...
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It's a strong and deep emotional desire, far from being superficial.
Two thirds of the Germans don't seem to have this desire.

BTW: I'm not arguing for anything but just responding to your claimed "facts".
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More than two thirds of the "Germans" also claimed that in case of the Dresdener Frauenkirche. Now look at it today and ask the people again.

Again, its mostly vague financial statements and general inconfidence about politics that leads to such results. Something along the lines "we need to renovate schools, kindergartens and autobahns instead" etc...
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Old June 17th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #268
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I added the most recent renderings to my opening post here.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 07:54 AM   #269
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need more visible links to our great history (aside the WWs), tradition and culture.

Every nation has this need.
Well said, I think its easy to dismiss the emotional connection until the project is completed. There is no shortage of empty lots in Berlin for modernist to slap their creations.

Thanks for the continued progress pictures.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #270
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You're very welcome.


Some additional visualizations...

Schlüterhof (Schlüter's courtyard), with the inner facade of the modern Spree side, a future event venue:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archiv...ra_941780a.jpg

aerial view:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archiv...s_1284077s.jpg

Groundfloor plan Humboldt-Forum:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archiv...g__941783a.jpg

The modern agora, main entrance of the Castle (through Eosanderportal):

http://www.welt.de/img/kultur/origs1...tur-Berlin.jpg


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Schlüterhof, which can be used for Open Air concerts as well:

http://www.welt.de/img/kultur/origs1...tur-Berlin.jpg

All from: http://www.welt.de/kultur/article498...te-Plaene.html
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Another historical aerial view of Berlin's Royal Castle and the
former old town just behind (Marien Quarter / Nikolai Quarter / Abbey Quarter):



Full resolution // From: AG Schlossplatz
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Old June 23rd, 2013, 11:34 PM   #273
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What are they doing at Marx-Engels-Forum?
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U-Bahn/ subway construction.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 08:35 AM   #275
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Boy, that's a tight room to build from!
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It is indeed.

Btw, the above photos are part of this FANTASTIC collection (don't miss it!): THIS IS BERLIN - FROM ABOVE

GEIL!

Location of the City Palace: upper right corner, underneath the TV Tower!

Berlin-Mitte and the Tiergarten park (Central Park of Berlin), Source: Berliner Morgenpost
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Will the old Willhelm I monument be rebuilt?
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Old June 24th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #278
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Sadly no.
If I may ask why? Are they going to build something else on that area?
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Yes, a memorial to commemorate the Reunification of Germany in 1990.










Source: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/mediacent...638.html#image // Milla-Waltz


Perhaps we should have a seperate thread for it in English somewhere.
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