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Old August 11th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #341
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thank you for your answer....

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Old August 11th, 2013, 04:02 PM   #342
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Sorry, fellows, my mistake. I did not scroll down far enough on the photo related to the Adlersaule / Eagle Column to see the rest of the posted information and more modern photos.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #343
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Denkmal

It seems to me that if Berlin is going to all the trouble of rebuilding the Stadtschloss exterior in the original style that they would build something that reflects that architecture on the site of the old Kaiser Wilhelm Denkmal. I have seen photos of the proposed modernistic sculpture currently intended for that site. Frankly, it looks like a giant debris fragment leftover from World War II. If they want something in keeping with the new/old Humboldt Forum, they ought to at least reconstruct the colonnade of the old memorial and then place something appropriate in the center that commemorates German unity.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #344
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Little picture update

That is what is left from the memorial.


That is, what we can see by now from Stadtschloss



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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:36 PM   #345
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may I make an off topic comment...this reconstructed building is one of the better in germany....
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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #346
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Couldn't disagree more!

It looks like it was made out of cardboard or plastic.

It's very incomprehensible that Berlin, of all places, is opting for such a Disney-approach: faking old buildings without adding anything of architectural value.

It's an absolute disgrace that they tore down the Palace of the Republic to replace it with this monstrosity. What's next? Tearing down the TV-tower?

Berlin is very rapidly becoming just another European capital, instead of the unique one it used to be (and still is, partly). It makes my heart bleed.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #347
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Couldn't disagree more!

It looks like it was made out of cardboard or plastic.
It was not. The reconstruction of the facade was done very accurate. They even used materials (sandstone, lime stone) from the same regions like the original.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #348
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Couldn't disagree more!

It looks like it was made out of cardboard or plastic.

It's very incomprehensible that Berlin, of all places, is opting for such a Disney-approach: faking old buildings without adding anything of architectural value.
What the hell? It is not a fake, it is not Disney, it is a reconstruction of a building, nothing more nothing less, with the same materials.

AND IT's AWESOME!
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Old August 20th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #349
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What the hell? It is not a fake, it is not Disney, it is a reconstruction of a building, nothing more nothing less, with the same materials.

AND IT's AWESOME!
I agree..I have had lunch inside that bldg. It is awesome.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #350
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Couldn't disagree more!

It looks like it was made out of cardboard or plastic.
That's because it's new. The now old buildings we see today were once new as well.

It's a historically correct reconstruction. That's what matters.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 09:40 PM   #351
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Berlin is very rapidly becoming just another European capital, instead of the unique one it used to be (and still is, partly).
Yes, uniquely ugly.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #352
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Just being curious. Are they going to rebuild the Bauakademie during our lifetime or when is the renovation work for the printed facade scheduled? Its one of the memories of my first Berlin visit and I am not sure if we already payed in Euro back then. It would be a splendid building and that location would deserve a reconstruction.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #353
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Couldn't disagree more!

It looks like it was made out of cardboard or plastic.

It's very incomprehensible that Berlin, of all places, is opting for such a Disney-approach: faking old buildings without adding anything of architectural value.

It's an absolute disgrace that they tore down the Palace of the Republic to replace it with this monstrosity. What's next? Tearing down the TV-tower?

Berlin is very rapidly becoming just another European capital, instead of the unique one it used to be (and still is, partly). It makes my heart bleed.
Well, they say, that tastes differ...and that's alright! But in some special cases there seems to be no taste existant at all.
How can you honestly call this faithful reconstruction an "absolute disgrace" and a "monstrocity", while advocating buildings like the PotR at the same time?

And with "rapidly becoming just another European capital" you do mean: beautiful, grand, historic and appropiate as the capital city of one of the worlds leading economies?

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Old August 21st, 2013, 10:01 AM   #354
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That's because it's new. The now old buildings we see today were once new as well.

It's a historically correct reconstruction. That's what matters.

Then it was the next house...where I ate.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 12:17 PM   #355
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That's because it's new. The now old buildings we see today were once new as well.

It's a historically correct reconstruction. That's what matters.
No it's not, there weren't even plans for this building, they rebuild it based on old photos.

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Well, they say, that tastes differ...and that's alright! But in some special cases there seems to be no taste existant at all.
How can you honestly call this faithful reconstruction an "absolute disgrace" and a "monstrocity", while advocating buildings like the PotR at the same time?

And with "rapidly becoming just another European capital" you do mean: beautiful, grand, historic and appropiate as the capital city of one of the worlds leading economies?
First of all, the Palace of the Republic was unique and had a beautiful and very impressive interior. Furthermore, it was a staunch reminder of a significant time for the city and would have made a great museum or concert hall.

Secondly, this project certainly is not a faithful reconstruction. It's a facade with a modern body. There is a reason buildings are build in a certain style: they represent the era in which they are build. Faking an old castle is how a five year old would build his city. I would have welcomed a grand, spectacular modern building there, which would have added something to the city, instead of this thing.

And by 'becoming just another European capital', I meant that Berlin is rapidly losing what made it unique: it's unbelievable 20th century. Yes, you've lost a lot of historic buildings, so what? That's the strength of the city: it had to reinvent itself, make the most of its scars, while never forgetting them. It made the city vibrant, creative, open and green, ugly in an interesting way.

Now it seems to be set on becoming another Paris (which it will never be) and in the process it's losing most of what made it so special. It's not just this horrible project. It's also the mass growth of bland, snobby apartment developments in what used to be alternative neighbourhoods, the "cleaning up" of many streets, the mass tourism, etc...

Just my opinion off course

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Old August 21st, 2013, 06:26 PM   #356
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Most of the 20th centrury charm in Berlin were empty spaces and ruins in centre. It was unique but unacceptable in modern metropolis. Berlin is living city, so they can't turn it into Cold War museum. A city must be comfortable to ihabitants and business friendly. That's why they build Postdamer Platz and rebuild historical palaces. Those investments doesn't make that city boring. Berlin architecture is freaky mix of old, nazi, western, socialist and modern style and that is unique and little fraeky. No other town in Europe can be compared to german capital.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 06:36 PM   #357
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First of all, the Palace of the Republic was unique and had a beautiful and very impressive interior. Furthermore, it was a staunch reminder of a significant time for the city and would have made a great museum or concert hall.
And not to forget full of Asbestos.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 06:55 PM   #358
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I support the demolition of DDR structures, not because of their architecture, but because of their political significance. Anything that resembles or remembers communist regimes in former Eastern Europe countries under oppression must be sanitized, defaced, erased, so that in - say - 50 years there is nothing to remember that part of Germany was once ruled by commies.

It is a pity that they haven't been so aggressive in removing communist-related architecture. They should have taken the same approach they took after WW2 in West Germany: any Nazi symbol, significant monument, street name/plaque was removed, and so should communist stuff from Berlin.

If Berlin weren't in some deep financial trouble, I'd even say they should build a new (taller - 500m high) observation/TV tower, and tear down the one that currently exists there. It is also bothersome that some Soviet-era monuments remain, such as the one in Treptow Park.
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I support the demolition of DDR structures, not because of their architecture, but because of their political significance. Anything that resembles or remembers communist regimes in former Eastern Europe countries under oppression must be sanitized, defaced, erased, so that in - say - 50 years there is nothing to remember that part of Germany was once ruled by commies.

It is a pity that they haven't been so aggressive in removing communist-related architecture. They should have taken the same approach they took after WW2 in West Germany: any Nazi symbol, significant monument, street name/plaque was removed, and so should communist stuff from Berlin.

If Berlin weren't in some deep financial trouble, I'd even say they should build a new (taller - 500m high) observation/TV tower, and tear down the one that currently exists there. It is also bothersome that some Soviet-era monuments remain, such as the one in Treptow Park.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 07:08 PM   #360
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No it's not, there weren't even plans for this building, they rebuild it based on old photos.
I invite you to go to the construction site, there is(was) a plaque displaying the old floor plan. I even used it as a reference for my 3D model. I think it was posted here before.

Anyway, there is this survey I made some time ago in my blog. Most people stated they agreed with the palace being rebuilt.
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