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Old November 2nd, 2013, 07:43 AM   #441
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Well a war played a large part in it!
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 12:49 PM   #442
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Well a war played a large part in it!
Well, only a large part. The building was badly damaged in the war, but not beyond repair. Of course it can be argued that everything that happened in Berlin was a direct result of that war, but the reason the palace was torn down was connected with political ideology and "sending out the right message", a deliberate disowning of the past.

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Old November 2nd, 2013, 03:36 PM   #443
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It's gonna be an ugly fake. Disneyland is coming to Berlin, hooray!
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 05:01 PM   #444
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 10:57 PM   #445
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It's gonna be an ugly fake. Disneyland is coming to Berlin, hooray!
No, it's going to be a very beautiful fake. It sounds like it's going to be a useful building as well, but it is a fake.

As I said upthread, I really am torn over this building, I still don't know what to think of it.

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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #446
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Happy Medium

Rebuilding the historic center of cities like Berlin has to take a "happy medium" approach. While some structures can be restored in every detail for their historic value, a lot cannot unless the whole area becomes one big museum. That too often is neither practical nor possible. The best solution is often just keeping the facade true to the original and then using the interior for modern purposes. This is often referred to as "adaptive reuse" of a building.

Let's face it, there is little demand for an urban structure that has in no way been updated from what was accepted practice in 1945 or earlier. The same could be said for a medieval building where you would be expected to sleep on straw and use a slop jar. I would like to see you sell that.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #447
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It's gonna be an ugly fake. Disneyland is coming to Berlin, hooray!
If the soul of a building has to be reduced to the original stones, then there are many 'fake' landmark buildings. Are the brandenburg gates 'fake' because they were half demolished and restored a few years back? Or do the gates represent something larger then the stones themselves.

Have you ever heard an American call the Whitehouse 'fake' because it was reduced to smoldering shell and rebuilt in 1814? Or was the reconstruction a representation of the determination of the people of that time to rebuild and move forward.

Some people just don't get it, and that's fine, the rest of us can enjoy the emotional aspect of what the Stadtschloss represents.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #448
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what is so fake about this building? fake would be if instead of REBUILDING that palace there, they'd built a replica of the eiffel tower!!! that would be fake…. they're simply bringing back marvelous architectural wonders lost in the war!!!

all over the world this happens!!!

some architectural wonders are forever gone though,Tenochtitlan would be awesome to see hahaha too bad that one we can't brin back
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Old November 4th, 2013, 07:40 PM   #449
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It's gonna be an ugly fake. Disneyland is coming to Berlin, hooray!
Such a dumb and close minded thing to say... Did you by chance pick that up somewhere and repeated it here without any reflection?

Yes, it might be considered "fake". But then many buildings, even whole cities across the globe have to be considered fake. People in all ages and cultures were reconstructing lost buildings, may it be due to war or natural catastrophes.
And honestly, can a building be even fake, if it has solid walls, a roof and inside a place to live, work etc...

You are entitled to find it ugly too, if that is your believe...

And last but not least regarding the dumb Disneyland-knockout argument:
Buildings in Disneyland are mostly cheaply build in styles of architecture that sprung out of wild imagination or are some kind of crazy distortion of an actual building across the globe (Neuschwanstein Castle as the model for the Disney Castle for example). The Humboldt Forum aka City Palace will be solidly built, to last the ages on the exact spot as it was once standing. It's facades will, with the help of photos, original plans, professional artisans and material, carefully recreated into the smallest detail. The facades are not fake, they are truly baroque. They were and are still designed by Andreas Schlüter, the baroque architect. The only thing, that is missing yet, is age. But does age solely define a building and it's worth? I don't think so. I think, it's the spirit, design and skillfull execution, that gives a building it's worth.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #450
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More ugly, Disneyland-fakes:

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Camapanile, San Marco by Daniel Brennwald, on Flickr

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White House by Insidiator, on Flickr

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Paris City Hall by cremini, on Flickr

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Windsor Castle by Peter McClintock, on Flickr

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Ypres (3) by Glenn LR Johnson, on Flickr

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Frauenkirche, Dresden by rengawfalo, on Flickr

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Gdansk by hectorlo, on Flickr
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Old November 4th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #451
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old walls in the celler of the new castle

New video from "Abendschau"( Berlins local news-tv-show) here.





Quelle Tagesspiegel, Foto ©: Kitty Kleist-Heinrich



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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #452
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nice photo-collection of the constructionfield here.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:53 AM   #453
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Big coalition(SPD and CDU): "city castle reconstruction is irreversible"

The coalition wants to finish the reconstruction/ building of the "Humboldt-Forum" as fast as possible.

There will be no construction stop and discussion about other architect plans again.

http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berli...,25013458.html
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Old November 13th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #454
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Yay, keep going Berlin!

Fresh 3D Visualisations of Berlin's City Palace / Humboldt-Forum (3D Ansicht vom Berliner Schloss )


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Old November 15th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #455
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some pics taken with mobile, not best quali.











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Old November 15th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #456
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Thanks for Update. Pictures are wonderful.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #457
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Great building !!
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Old November 18th, 2013, 04:29 PM   #458
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they told Kame in the Humboldt-Box this weekend, that the construction is in time. An advantage of 1 month.

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The webcams give the best view.

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Quelle: http://cam01.berlinerschloss-webcam.de/
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Old November 19th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #460
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"Lapidarium"?

The floor plan for the main floor of the "Humboldt Forum" shows a "lapidarium" surrounded by the restaurant section of the new building along the Spree side. Is that some sort of swimming pool? I only associate the word "lapidarium" with that particular usage. Does it have a different implication in German?
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