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Old December 4th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #481
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After the decade it took to finally start the construction, they are now incredibly fast. They most likely want to make the City Palace their showpiece project, to show everyone, that Berlin/Germany can still do big projects without inevitable failure...
Indeed. And I so hope they will succeed in this endeavour!
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Old December 5th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #482
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Dumb commie a**holes!! Now everything has to be rebuild and the perfectly fine parts of the facade (statues, reliefs, other ornaments), which at least could have been saved, will cost about 100.000.000 € and many years for artisans to reproduce...
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:27 AM   #484
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #485
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When the Communists blew up the remains of the Stadtschloss, were none of the statues or anything else salvaged? I recall that at least they took the lion sculptures from the Kaiser Wilhelm Denkmal to use at the East Berlin zoo.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #486
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http://berliner-schloss.de/das-histo...-des-schlosses

It is in german and I'am not willing or able to translate it accurately.
But at least there are some pictures
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By the way, the donation update for the facade reconstruction now stands at 33.047.725€. Meaning in the last couple of months about 4 million € were collected. That's a record and the biggest jump in donations so far.

Donations for the facade reconstruction:
2004 1.226.000 €
2005 2.555.000 €
2006 1.850.000 €
2007 2.352.486 €
2008 2.346.406 €
2009 2.083.386 €
2010 2.535.548 €
2011 4.064.000 €
2012 5.520.771 €
2013/11 8.514.128 €
Total sum 33.047.725 €

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It is in german and I'am not willing or able to translate it accurately.
But at least there are some pictures
Thanks for the link! This seems to contain the information about which I was curious. I can translate enough of it to understand what happened. Obviously, "politically correct" carried a lot more weight than "historic" or "artistically significant" with the Commies.
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Such a dumb and close minded thing to say... Did you by chance pick that up somewhere and repeated it here without any reflection?

Yes, it might be considered "fake". But then many buildings, even whole cities across the globe have to be considered fake. People in all ages and cultures were reconstructing lost buildings, may it be due to war or natural catastrophes.
And honestly, can a building be even fake, if it has solid walls, a roof and inside a place to live, work etc...

You are entitled to find it ugly too, if that is your believe...

And last but not least regarding the dumb Disneyland-knockout argument:
Buildings in Disneyland are mostly cheaply build in styles of architecture that sprung out of wild imagination or are some kind of crazy distortion of an actual building across the globe (Neuschwanstein Castle as the model for the Disney Castle for example). The Humboldt Forum aka City Palace will be solidly built, to last the ages on the exact spot as it was once standing. It's facades will, with the help of photos, original plans, professional artisans and material, carefully recreated into the smallest detail. The facades are not fake, they are truly baroque. They were and are still designed by Andreas Schlüter, the baroque architect. The only thing, that is missing yet, is age. But does age solely define a building and it's worth? I don't think so. I think, it's the spirit, design and skillfull execution, that gives a building it's worth.
I like historicism, ornaments, mighty statues and stuff but why build it exactly the same as it was? If Berliners want Baroque, cool, but you can always design new, original, better baroque buildings. Instead you guys try to simulate the old Germany which is ridiculous. They didn't say "hey, let's bring back ancient greece/rome!!!" when they built those baroque buildings back then. Ok, maybe they did, to a degree, but they did interpret and try to do something original and new, and results were obviously fantastic. I don't find this building ugly, but I find the idea of "reconstruct it like how it was" mentality flawed. Aren't you guys capable of designing interesting and original buildings other than boxes?
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There are few architects in Germany still capable of designing proper traditional architecture. Traditional styles are a no-no, at least for public buildings.
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Besides we're talking about nothing less than the main monument of Berlin, Prussia and Imperial Germany here.

There's no way you could build something new there instead of reconstructing it. The commies and their Palast der Republik failed miserably at their attempt, that's why it's already gone.

It's like saying "well, the Mona Lisa just burned - who cares, let's paint something new and interesting instead".
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In another 50 years, the left party will take over, blow up the reconstructed city palace and replace it with a rebuilding of the palace of the republic, which in turn will be blown up in 100 years and replaced with another reconstruction of the city palace...
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Since we're living in a country of ecosocialists already, that's not such an unlikely scenario... Deja-vu nation!
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There are few architects in Germany still capable of designing proper traditional architecture. Traditional styles are a no-no, at least for public buildings.
They are actually fully capable to do it. The just don't want.

Personally, I would have preferred something new and exciting as well instead of a reconstruction.
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They are actually fully capable to do it. The just don't want.
No, they are not!

I'm a graphic designer and pretty good at drawing (people, animals, nature). I guess, I was born with a little talent and then I perfected (of course nothing will ever be "perfect") it through many years of practice and interest. Other designers/my colleagues are mostly not really that good in drawing, even though they are designers and also had the mandatory drawing lessons in uni. So they often come around asking me for help, if they happen to need a good drawing.
I'm pretty sure, it's the same with architects. I highly doubt, the young architect of today, that learned to design and build in a pile of concrete blocks with holes for windows, suddenly has has the hidden ability to design and draw something intricate and beautiful like this, if he suddenly needs to for a project:


by my fellow Trierer from the APH-forum.
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That takes talent, interest, knowledge and lots of practice.
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Don't really see why it shouldn't be possible. Its basically a box with an ornamented facade. Most of the elements are quite repetitive. So where exactly is the difficulty here?
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Honestly, some people do really think, designers/architects/artists wave their magic wand and voila the design/piece of art is ready. XD It's many days of work, years of knowledge and practice.

How would some Bauhaus style architect know how to masterfully arrange and decorate a 19th century-esque facade, not too much, not too less and with that special touch, that let's it stand out from the rest?
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Honestly, some people do really think, designers/architects/artists wave their magic wand and voila the design/piece of art is ready. XD It's many days of work, years of knowledge and practice.

How would some Bauhaus style architect know how to masterfully arrange and decorate a 19th century-esque facade, not too much, not too less and with that special touch, that let's it stand out from the rest?
Sorry Tiaren, but your wrong. If they wanted, they could design such facades. Actually as an architect student i know pretty well how to do it. So i might be one of the few who actually would build something like this ;D
Architecture history is still a part of architecture studies, and students who are interested in this will find plenty of materials to see and learn how to do this. What is right so is that they are not tought how to do this. But i recognized that more an more students at my university put alot of effort in creating historical facades, not in their own project, but if it comes to ajected buildings of historicism, a lot them is doing a great work cause they "love the great detail". After all its not a miracle to even create a historistic facade out of scratch. Most of them are in fact put together out of building catalogues that were very common during that time. So, if an architect want to leran this he just has to do some studies on his own and of course open his eyes while strolling through our cities historic quarters Its not that hard!

And just for the record, the building in your draving doesnt stand out from the rest, it pretty generic for 19th architecture. Still beautiful and i like these very much, but its like "Corner Building Type 4b" we all know it
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Okay, I stand corrected. But If the architects and architecture students indeed all have the skill to produce beautiful traditional architecture (and I don't just mean cooky cutter 19th century tenement facades), then it is even more incomprehensible to me, why there aren't more architects, that do something different. Designers and artist do exactly that. Why are you so bound?
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Okay, I stand corrected. But If the architects and architecture students indeed all have the skill to produce beautiful traditional architecture (and I don't just mean cooky cutter 19th century tenement facades), then it is even more incomprehensible to me, why there aren't more architects, that do something different. Designers and artist do exactly that. Why are you so bound?
Its all about architectual dogmatas, and its very hard to break with tings you get "indoctrinated" with. Its still not possible to make a purely historicist design at university but there students who apply more for historical references like profilated facades. I dont think we will get back to 19th architecture as it wont get cost effective any time soon nor will the majority apply with this sort of architecture, but we are on a good way for a come back of more diverse range of architecture. Still this will take a lot of time, maybee a few generations.

What i can tell you so is that CIAM is over, even the hardest corbist at our university are not teaching city planing by CIAM standarts. Its part of history but not of our future. The future of city planing will hopefully be somewhere between Camillo Sitte and Bauhaus.
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