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Old December 12th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #521
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Preservation can be politically charged, such as preserving a statue of Lenin in Moscow for its craftsmanship, but it's obvious that it will never be as politically charged as building a statue of Lenin in Moscow right now. A better comparison would be, for example, monuments in Iraq built by the Saddam Hussein regime such as the Victory Arch in Baghdad. Said Victory Arch is preserved for its iconic design, but if today one were to build a monument to Saddam Hussein's claimed victory over Iran, how do you think people would react?
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Old December 12th, 2013, 04:10 PM   #522
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But then again the Hohenzollerns were nowhere near as bad as Saddam or Lenin...
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #523
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I Fail To See What The Issue Is.

Personally, I am all for reconstruction of buildings like the Stadtschloss. It is only logical that the facade be reconstructed as much as possible in its original form and that the interior modified so as to have a present day purpose. While I personally might have done some things differently, I applaud what is being done.

In America, we have Williamsburg. In Canada, they have Louisburg. Both are examples of faithful reconstructions of historic towns so that present day Americans and Canadians can see how people once lived and worked in the colonial era. The interior of some of the buildings in Williamsburg (and I believe in Louisburg as well) are actually used as modern dwellings for local residents. They have what you would expect in modern homes, not what they would have had in the 18th century. The way some of you have written here, that is a big outrage. All I can say is: Get real! Your arguments have a hollow ring to them.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #524
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Old December 12th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #525
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History has a way of validating decisions. There were a lot of protests against the Eiffel tower, we don't hear them anymore. Its normal for people to be afraid of taking a bold step or making a financial commitment. But once the Stadtschloss is completed those negative voices will be muffled by the beauty of this masterpiece and the millions that will enjoy it. If people really listened to the negative voices society would have very little creativity, beauty and innovation.

Droneriot - I'm curious, you spend a lot of effort criticizing the rebuilding of the Stadtschloss, what would your recommendation be? And why cant your idea be built on one of the other ubiquitous empty lots in Berlin that were generated by the DDRs cultural destruction era?
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Old December 12th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #526
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Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church? I can't say I don't agree.
No KW church is unique. I mean a beautiful church in Mitte, which has been destroyed and some sort of metal framework indicating the shape of the church has been built.

Edit: Found it: Bethlehemskirche

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Old December 13th, 2013, 11:24 AM   #527
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If 3D printers keep getting cheaper and better at this rate then it might happen sooner than we expect.
Still this wont make us start building massive amounts of neo historistic building quarters. There are to much points against it like room hight, maintenance costs and so on...
But it would be great if new techologies would made it economic feasable to reconstruct the historistic facades of all those dedecorated buildings in Berlin.
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I dont know if it has been answered before, but what will happen to the facade that is still part of the former Staatsratsgebäude. Will it be integrated into the reconstruction?
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Old December 20th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #532
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And why don't you build these walls with maconerie and bricks. I know, because of the money but still....

This is why the "new palace" will be just a reminiscent facade shell enveloping a concrete and steel body. Never the real City palace again.
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I dont know if it has been answered before, but what will happen to the facade that is still part of the former Staatsratsgebäude. Will it be integrated into the reconstruction?
No, it will stay, were it is. The Staatsratsgebäude is a protected monument in that form (including the old facade section). The section is "just" to 30% original anyway...

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This is why the "new palace" will be just a reminiscent facade shell enveloping a concrete and steel body. Never the real City palace again.
Right you are, because it isn't supposed to be the "real City Palace". It will be the Humboldt Forum, when it's finished.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 01:44 PM   #534
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To my knowledge the concrete structure will be supported by an outer brick layer.
Similar to many reconstructions in Dresden or the Potsdam City Palace.

Concrete is used since thousands of years already, anyway. The Rome Parthenon is a concrete structure.
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Right you are, because it isn't supposed to be the "real City Palace". It will be the Humboldt Forum, when it's finished.
It will be Disney.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 02:07 PM   #536
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It won't. Disney never reconstructed anything, I believe...
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Old December 21st, 2013, 02:09 PM   #537
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Yeah, like the Louvre because it isn't a real royal palace anymore and just houses a museum.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 02:09 PM   #538
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It will be Disney.
It will be a beautiful building that is actually used. I'm not sure if this is just another troll, but if you are going to criticize this please provide a more intelligent argument.

Are you bitter because it they did not use historical reconstruction techniques? Or are you upset with the construction of a historical building in the first place? Are you looking for something more modern, or were you hoping the Palast Republik was kept?

There are huge areas of Berlin that are still a wasteland from the war, it blows my mind that people cant get behind this magnificent building. If you really want to provide some value, start proposing what you would like to see on another one of the many empty lots in Berlin.

Its often easy for people to criticize without providing any value in the process.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #540
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Calling this "Disney" doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows Disney is the home of tacky futurism.



If Norman Foster designed something like Epcot, modernist fanatics would be drooling in admiration.
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