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Old December 24th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #541
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This is also Disney:



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I'm not bitter nor upset; it aint my 590 milion Euro's spend here, but i do have some sincere objections about reconstructing the past. And is a facade a reconstruction after all? So far i haven't heard a single rational argument to rebuild nostalgic concepts, and rule out contemporary architecture. It blows my mind people like to be fooled by fake decors instead of a decent design from the present.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #542
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@ durden
I'm not bitter nor upset; it aint my 590 milion Euro's spend here, but i do have some sincere objections about reconstructing the past. And is a facade a reconstruction after all? So far i haven't heard a single rational argument to rebuild nostalgic concepts, and rule out contemporary architecture. It blows my mind people like to be fooled by fake decors instead of a decent design from the present.
You don´t have to think that you rebuild the past, it´s enough to think that you rebuild something nice. If someone destroys your house you might want to rebuild it given that it was a nice house. The City Palace was never meant lost in the first place.

Beyond that, however, the past is in fact worth keeping. A world in which all traces of the past are lost is a world in which human culture becomes un-rooted. There are many different arguments that cultural rootedness is desirable.

As to the question of the Quality of a replica (the Disney-Argument), the City Palace will differ vividly from a Disney-Castle as pertains to the quality of building materials, craftmanship, and the degree of being "true to the original". Off course, this only pertains to the Fassade, since that it all being replicated. The inside, on ist hand, will have a modern functionality. Thus, the Disney-arguments falls either way.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #543
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You don't distinguish between building an amusement park in the middle of the swamp and a reconstruction of a building on its original site, based on its original plans?



Then that must be Disney as well, since it was rebuilt in the 1950s. Yet it's considered a World Heritage Site. And therein is a rational basis for rebuilding. They're reconstructing the building, not "the past," as a way of restoring cultural patrimony. Why can't they build a glass and steel structure reflecting the current times? Because such structures lack the specific significance of the original building.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 11:45 PM   #544
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You Should See The Film

Early in the new year, a new film entitled "The Monument Men" is being released. It deals with the efforts to save great art that had been looted by the Nazis that Hitler ordered destroyed in the final days of World War II. One of the main points that is made in the film's trailer is that you only destroy a people when you destroy their culture and that is what they are trying to prevent. I would recommend that you see that film.

To me, restoring the facade of a building like the Stadtschloss is helping to preserve the history and culture of Germany. Unless the whole building becomes one big museum, the only way that can be accomplished in practice is to recreate the facade and then use the interior for modern purposes which in turn does not require restoring the interior. If you are going to put up something completely different and "modern," then you might as well have stayed with the old Palace of the Republic in all its ugliness.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #545
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Old December 28th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #546
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No Disney! Thats real, thats real history and culture! This place, this castle, one history, one story, blowed up by commis, but now returning at legitimate place.

Disney= commercial bullshit, nothing to do with buildings like that.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #547
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 07:57 PM   #548
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found this pic of the old main portal...

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Old January 4th, 2014, 08:22 PM   #549
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Perhaps we should build some of Albert Speer's projects in Berlin, then?

Note that there is a big difference between preserving a building from that era and building a replicate from scratch. The former is the architectural heritage you speak of, the latter is a monument to that period of our history. Do we really need to glorify Prussia/Imperial Germany in such a way?

Also note that the argument you just used could be used just as well to argue for the rebuilding of the Berlin Wall.
Which of Albert Speer's design should be up for reconstruction do you think?

As I see it's a beautiful building (on this I suppose a majority would agree with me) that connects the past with the present (rebuilt or preserved), something which atleast I consider important. But I'm well aware that some people find pre-war architecture and urban planning to be something that hinders Progress.

And looking beyond the wars I think Prussia and its kings atleast did some things worthy of praise as patrons of art, music, education as well as facilitating the kingdom's economical growth.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #550
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Old January 5th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #551
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gevonden foto touristen voor berliner Schloss j 20 von janwillemsen auf Flickr

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Old January 5th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #552
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Berlin schloss Hofseite Portal V 1889 von janwillemsen auf Flickr

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Old January 5th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #553
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Schlüters Rittersaal, Berliner Schloss von janwillemsen auf Flickr

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Wow, the window surfaces are huuuge (look at the little guy down on the left). Schlüter's design looks actually quite modern. Could be built 200 years later in 1900.

I always thought Schlüter's architecture to be sometimes quite peculiar. Not always in a completely positive way, I have to admit.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #555
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Such a shame that the original interiors are lost
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Old January 5th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #556
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Rossebändiger, historischer Standort von mitue auf Flickr

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Old January 5th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #557
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Are you kidding me? What a shame - german history in a flask
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I am surprised too! i have to go there!

Maybe I find the eagle-pillar there too!

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I know that the lions from the Kaiser Wilhelm Denkmal are now at the East Berlin zoo. Where are the statues of the horses now located that were once on the Lustgarten side of the schloss? The photo gives me the impression that they are now in a park.
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Kleistpark, district Schöneberg...
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