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Old April 9th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #661
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Old April 9th, 2014, 07:42 PM   #662
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Lustgarten gets limited by the old/ new castle again... View from Lustgarten to new appartments highrises in the Leipziger Strasse soon wouldnt exist anymore.











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Old April 9th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #663
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Old April 10th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #664
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I still love this concept the best (taken from a few pages back):


I also like this concept.
Anyway, once the building is finished, it will be very, very impressive!
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Old April 10th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #665
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they wanted to sabotage the good progressing constructionplans with this discussion...

So many years of discussion and now they are coming..., they had to make a decision and so Stella was an good compromise in my opinion.

I think it is unwarrantable if someone after years now wants to start a new discussion about the hole project.
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Ludi, the above rendering was made by a German forum user following my request.

So, after all, again the German forum is to blame for a major architecture discussion in Germany. And I'm sort of glad we had it. Modernists need more of a blowback sometimes, to understand not everyone agrees what they think is good for the city.
Of course no one seriously was getting at it to sabotage the project as a whole.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:36 PM   #667
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Great updates! Does anyone know what the high level timeline is? I suspect the elaborate facade will take years to complete. I'm very impressed with the speed at which they are moving.

Loving the project thus far! Ludi, not to worry, the feeling in this thread is overwhelmingly positive and that will only grow as the building construction progresses.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #668
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Does anyone know what the high level timeline is? I suspect the elaborate facade will take years to complete. I'm very impressed with the speed at which they are moving.
You mean, when they complete the framing? ... yes they really fast now.

2018 they want to finish works, then they want to test the concept for interior, etc... 2019 opening.

End of this year framing gets completed.

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Durden: In fact they've crafted quite some portion of the ornaments to date.
And I guess they'll have much of it in place already once the structural work is completed.

There was an English documentary about it somewhere, perhaps I'll find it.
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If the soul of a building has to be reduced to the original stones, then there are many 'fake' landmark buildings. Are the brandenburg gates 'fake' because they were half demolished and restored a few years back? Or do the gates represent something larger then the stones themselves.

Have you ever heard an American call the Whitehouse 'fake' because it was reduced to smoldering shell and rebuilt in 1814? Or was the reconstruction a representation of the determination of the people of that time to rebuild and move forward.

Some people just don't get it, and that's fine, the rest of us can enjoy the emotional aspect of what the Stadtschloss represents.
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Not sure just exactly where Durden's quote is located, but I strongly agree with Ludi in applauding his comments. When a building or other structure has been destroyed, either in war or by nature, the greatest compliment is that it is worth rebuilding as a monument and tribute to the people and the culture who came before. If you can't see that, then I pity you. I for one would rather have the reconstruction, even with an interior that is going to be something different from the original, than having just a memory.
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Are they relocating the old balcony from the former State Council Building?

Also, that riverfront facade is awful. It looks like an Albert Speer government building when both the East and West German governments removed all the "offensive" ornamentation. I've been following this project for over five years, and the fact that some people are opposed to the reconstruction of such a grand building to the point that they are appeased with a Nazi facade is both vexing and ironic.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 04:59 PM   #676
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No. It stays where it is. The Portal is mostly a reconstruction itself.
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It'll be really odd to see almost the exact same portals opposite each other, one on a faithfully reconstructed Palace facade, the other squeezed in a modernist commie building.

A true Berlin corner, ja.
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The reconstruction of Portal IV, the one which is now part of the Staatsratsgebäude, will face the Lustgarten. The Portals I and II which will face the Schloßplatz look slidely different. http://www.historisches-stadtschloss...l-i/index.html
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Indeed. To the untrained visitor's eye, they'll look much alike though.

Actually, the idea of adding a portal to the Spree side grew on me. But looks like it's just too late now.
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