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Old May 1st, 2014, 06:06 PM   #701
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Compare the cost of the highly complicated PATH terminal by Santiago Calatrava and this ornate structure. I don't think the Stadtschloss will come close to 3.7 billion USD.

And they say building in traditional style is too expensive.
Totally inappropriate comparison. One is a 4-story building on an otherwise emptied out terrain. Other is a complex underground train station with multiple entrances, anti-terrorism design, tightly constrained in terms of its 3-D footprints.
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Old May 1st, 2014, 10:00 PM   #702
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"Schlossbrücke" - castle bridge - soon gets his meaning back.





Today I was in the Humboldtbox again...



Still left money for reconstruct the facade!





Still have good view from the top of the Box, but soon the Cathedral will be the last place with good view over the hole construction.







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Old May 2nd, 2014, 05:47 PM   #703
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Berliner Dom

Personally, I like the Berliner Dom the way that it is now. Architecturally, the lines are a lot cleaner than with all of the "wedding cake" pre-war details. I hope that they don't go back to the pre-war appearance.
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 06:24 PM   #704
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first they should clean the fassade, otherwise the reconstructed Palace will look very new in contrast.


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Old May 5th, 2014, 01:32 AM   #705
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Berliner Dom cleaning

I agree with Ludi, cleaning the exterior of the Berliner Dom should be given priority. It certainly would help improve its appearance. A number of other important buildings such as Notre Dame and the Louvre in Paris have been restored to their original appearance by cleaning away the grime on the stone. I can only assume that cleaning the exterior was also part of restoring the Reichstag Building there in Berlin.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 11:40 AM   #706
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Well... this invites a long discussion about preserving history. The Don is the colour it is because of what it's been through, it would have had alot of smoke damage in the war for example, but also from industrial chimneys. Do we eradicate all this? I don't know myself, but it's what I don't like about new reconstructions, they will look souless and, well, new. Somehow making old buildings look new so as to fit with a new imitation sounds wrong.

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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:07 PM   #707
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Cleaning Buildings

In a number of situations the "grime" on stone buildings is due to the era when soft coal was used for heating. Sandblasting restores the building to its appearance before that practice became common. I for one would rather see what the architect had in mind and not the universal gray/black that has resulted from the stone absorbing the soot in the years when this pollution was tolerated. Just my opinion.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #708
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^ Excellent picture contrasting two great Berlin landmarks, one old and one new - which is which..
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Some history...

After demolishing the castle, 58 years ago, same place... The GDR celebrated the day of the working class. Example parade for Nordkorea today.

Did anyone else find it near-shocking to see all the military fanfare and women heaving flowers a mere 10 years after the end of WWII in Berlin? The choreography looked as if Herr Hitler had been consulted. Sure didn't take long to forget what such exhibitions yield.
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Did anyone else find it near-shocking to see all the military fanfare and women heaving flowers a mere 10 years after the end of WWII in Berlin? The choreography looked as if Herr Hitler had been consulted. Sure didn't take long to forget what such exhibitions yield.
Orchestrated from Moscow, the population fell back into into a pattern of normality (what they knew best since 15 years).
Happily, 3/4 of the country fell to the west, which eventually made re-unification a matter of assimilation.
Re-unification would have been more difficult if the country was devided on the half line.
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Stella defence his eastside-fassade. He says he is acting in Schlueters sense with the modern interpretation, cause Schlueter also wanted to change the old east-fassade, but it never happend.
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Stella seems to be a nice, humble man and fortunately, he is a strong supporter of the reconstructed parts of the palace. He even has no problems whatsoever, to strike off his own designs to give more room for reconstructed parts BUT his eastern facade is a really boring and dreary piece of architecture. Probably one of the worst designs made in the international competition back in 2009/2009.
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The first claybricks



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Old May 13th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #716
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Stella seems to be a nice, humble man and fortunately, he is a strong supporter of the reconstructed parts of the palace. He even has no problems whatsoever, to strike off his own designs to give more room for reconstructed parts BUT his eastern facade is a really boring and dreary piece of architecture. Probably one of the worst designs made in the international competition back in 2009/2009.
Agreed. In my opinion its a very brutalist design. If they wanted to go modern, I would have preferred something a little more provocative, something that would at least stir some emotion (good or bad) rather than just a plain facade you would see on any government building.

That being said there is no way to please everyone, and if this was a concession to having the project go forward I think its worth while.
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Ludi, how does the size of the palace feel like, standing before it in person?
In picture it kinda feels small. Someone else already pointed that out before.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 08:21 PM   #719
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Hm, yes, but i think with the finale high and the cupola 2019 it will look even more massiv.

Without windows and without the fassade you fix fast on the background and so maybe it appears for now little bit smale...
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Old May 14th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #720
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I read about how Leipzig is going today being ranked as most livable city in Germany and one of the top cities to visit (yes I read in wikipedia, which quotes Marktforschungsinstituts GfK and he New York Times respectively), and see how they are handling the renovation/reconstructing there (spetactular thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1692118), and can't say enough how good I think this is. And I think this is just one of others reasons to suport the reconstruction, which, by the way, hasn't anything of pastiche and even less Disney to it (just read all the previous posts to figure it). And this despite Stella's design, for which I can't give a more strong opinion yet.

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(ps. I hope to see in Berlin more facade work like Leipizig, and sorry by the still rusty english)
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