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Old May 19th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #721
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Old May 19th, 2014, 03:07 PM   #722
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You're not the only one dreaming about the original Dom cupola and turrets.
But as the Evangelical Church in Germany faces somewhat of a dire financial situation they aren't able to do it. It could be done with donations perhaps, but even with many historicism/Wilhelminism admirers out there that might be tough. And tax money for something like that? Hmm, well.

It might happen one day, some time after 2018, when the City Palace is finished.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...rliner_Dom.jpg

The current solution is more restrained and not bad either.
But somehow the Wilhelmine grandeur is missing and proportions are a little flawed.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...er_2013_02.jpg


Especially the cross looks somewhat awkward. It could need a rounded copper covering in the lower section.
This is all so bizarre. Why the obsession with rewriting history and erasing evidence of previous generation's work and impacts. This city won't tell a story of itself after all this nonsesne is finished - it'll just be a weird, idealised fantasy of what it wishes it was, and a refusal to assimilate the city's complicated history into its identity.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #723
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Who talks about erasing? Berlin is full of Communist and West German postwar architecture and the Dom in particular looked 10x better before the Commies implemented their subpar reconstruction plan. If anything you ought to be welcoming the reconstruction of the palace, after all it will be another step in "assimilating the city's complicated history into its identity."
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Old May 19th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #724
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Berliner Dom Cleaner than Before

The Berliner Dom seems a lot cleaner in Steppenwulf's photo than in the other earlier photos of it that have been posted here. Perhaps it is cleaner on the south side of the building than on the side that faces the Lustgarten.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #725
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Are there any plans for the park like area next to the palace?

If I recall correctly from my visit last summer, there was a Marx & Engels statue, but this looks like prime real estate for a nice project.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #726
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^ It's the site of the former Marienviertel (St. Mary's quarter), part of Berlin's historical old town area. Nowadays it's called Marx-Engels Forum (due to the sculpture you mentioned).

Currently various options are discussed, ranging from single reconstructions in an urban quarter to an esplanade or even a central harbour pool of the Spree (dubbed Uferterassen). We've got a thread at the Berlin forum, see here.
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I've posted this aerial before, but here you can see the central Marienviertel of Berlin's
dense pre-war old town, right behind the City Palace and the Spree river:


Source: http://www.berliner-historische-mitte.de/ / orig. link
Photochrome view created in 1920.


Socialist-modernist GDR version of an "urban core" (oh boy):

Source: http://www.luftaufnahmen-deutschland...nderplatz.html

Only few historical landmarks remain (St. Mary's, Dom, Red City Hall), without any proper context.
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Up, just to get rid of the spam threads appearing at the front page...
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I think this whole thing about the reconstruction is part of the today's process, the today's mentality, and so its not a retrocession nor a trying to simply revive old ways of being, behave and think. And more, the years of discussion, debates, diversity of opinion and finally the careful treatment to the project only validates it. I´m not much into the politics but I bet this is more a people's wish than merely a government's rule, something probably impossible to happen in the old GDR. This, again, gives more meaning to the project.

Maybe this could have happened many years before, if the people weren't so tied up on their freedom and will.
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What a pity the St. Peter's church, I saw the pics and it really looked good for a reconstruction. I think much worst what happened to Kapelle der Versöhnung: when you don't have much useful things to do, you start to destroying things . Tks God the wall fell ";¬).
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I've posted this aerial before, but here you can see the central
Thanks for the info!

Such a shame what happened to Berlin...
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the current construction site from above

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Old May 20th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #733
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I've posted this aerial before, but here you can see the central Marienviertel of Berlin's
dense pre-war old town, right behind the City Palace and the Spree river:


Source: http://www.berliner-historische-mitte.de/ / orig. link
Photochrome view created in 1920.


Socialist-modernist GDR version of an "urban core" (oh boy):

Source: http://www.luftaufnahmen-deutschland...nderplatz.html

Only few historical landmarks remain (St. Mary's, Dom, Red City Hall), without any proper context.

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Old May 20th, 2014, 12:15 PM   #734
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This is all so bizarre. Why the obsession with rewriting history and erasing evidence of previous generation's work and impacts. This city won't tell a story of itself after all this nonsesne is finished - it'll just be a weird, idealised fantasy of what it wishes it was, and a refusal to assimilate the city's complicated history into its identity.
Were you recently in Berlin, or do you make up your mind based on a "distance impression"? I refer to your statement that the city won´t tell any story of itself.

Unfortunately, I don´t get the premis of your initial arguments either, that about "Obsession with re-writing history". Are your referring to the fact that the city palace get a modernist interior instead of a faithful reconstruction? Are you referring to the modern Copula of the Reichstag. Are you referring to the fact that central squares like Lieipziger Platz get "classicalistic", new architecture, but differing from the historical classisist building once there?

Either, then - you seem to think one should rebuild the destroyed parts of the city faithfully, or you seem to think that one should not reconstruct anything. Which of the two is your actual opinion?

I guess, from own experience, that Berlin is pretty far from being a weird, idealized fantasy of what it wishes it was. It might be weird, thanks to postwar reconstruction filling in gaps of remaining or rebuilt city quarters. What the city "wishes it was", however, is as indefinable as the city´s heterogenity. Also, I think all the rebuilding is motivated by a wish to improve the urban quality and connecting to the more organic rather than traumatic parts of its past, rather than seeking some idealized fantasy. Germany generally, and Berlin in particular have become dissilusioned by "ideals".
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Germany generally, and Berlin in particular have become dissilusioned by "ideals".
Ah well, we're just raising a purely ideological generation of ecosocialist dictators (anti science, anti development, anti freedom, pro gender mainstreaming, pro criminals, pro extinction of "Germans" and distinct culture...). They even have their own "SA" crushing shop windows, burning cars and attacking other party members - called "Green Youth".

I'm not getting the impression that Germans learned all too much from the past century. Nip it in the bud!
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Ah well, we're just raising a purely ideological generation of ecosocialist dictators (anti science, anti development, anti freedom, pro gender mainstreaming, pro criminals, pro extinction of "Germans" and distinct culture...). They even have their own "SA" crushing shop windows, burning cars and attacking other party members - called "Green Youth".

I'm not getting the impression that Germans learned all too much from the past century. Nip it in the bud!
For the sorry scenario which you just described, it is pretty amazing that the country is led by a christian conservative party, still prowess in science and industry. If anti-racism, anti-prejudice attitudes and ecological awareness isn´t progression, what is? By the way, I support CDU. Preserving germanness is a worthwhile topic, but from a preservationalist perspective and not a superioristic-expansice one. If that concern lets one come out holding racist or discriminating attitudes, one got one´s priorities messed up. Anyways, this will be my only response to non-architectural topics.
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christian conservative party,

Christian conservative in name only.
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Christian conservative in name only.
But not false, thus.
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Is any idea about fix the facade of the "Hochschule für Musik", would be much more appropiate now? (I mean its up part, like what it has on the facade to the river).
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