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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:33 PM   #861
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It didn't receive any more damage than the rest of Berlin.

You can see the damage to the east façade compared to the Marienviertel on the right of these comparison pictures originally posted on the Architectura Pro Homine:
Before the War:

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The main reason for the subsequent demolition by the communist East Germany (Pictures) was it's status as a symbol for an unwanted (and failed) system (the monarchy) right in the centre of it's new and modern (communist) capital.

Ironically the demolition of the palace of the republic (picture in a better state, and another one from the east) on this very spot had pretty much the exact same reasons. It was a symbol of the communist past of East Germany in the centre of the new All-German capital.
(The official reason was it's asbestos contamination, but almost every building from the 70ies has this problem. One of the more prominent examples is the ICC-Building, opened 1979 in the former west of Berlin, and nobody is going to demolish that one.)
Can someone post a current picture from the same angle of the same place? It would be interesting to see.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 11:19 PM   #862
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Please don't. XD We've seen that comparison more than enough...
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Old October 5th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #863
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Old October 6th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #864
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Building Identity

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Is that another pre-World War II building behind the modern structure that sits beside the former East German Council of Ministries building, the one with the section of the former Stadtschloss built into it? The architecture certainly looks pre-war.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 09:04 PM   #865
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Is that another pre-World War II building behind the modern structure that sits beside the former East German Council of Ministries building, the one with the section of the former Stadtschloss built into it? The architecture certainly looks pre-war.
Have a picture? I can't really make out, what building you are referring to.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 03:30 AM   #866
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Joe, you're probably referring to the Marstall.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...jpg?uselang=de

Hopefully it'll be restored to pre-war glory one day as well:


http://www.ma-shops.de/kohlross/item.php5?id=4863

View towards old town (Marien/Nikolai quarter) and the Red City Hall tower, Marstall to the right:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...platz_1900.jpg
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Old October 7th, 2014, 03:53 AM   #867
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Oh...yes, poor old New Stables... They took great care, to ruin this former neo baroque beauty with just a few -but very effective- alterations.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:03 AM   #868
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To The Right of the DDR Council of Ministries Building

I am familiar with the Marstall building. No, the one that I was asking about is on the other side of the former DDR Council of Ministries building and behind the modernistic building that is actually right beside the DDR building. The architecture resembles that of the building that is the current Finance Ministry (what was once the Air Ministry during World War II). I thought that it might be something from the National Socialist era based on the architecture.
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I am familiar with the Marstall building. No, the one that I was asking about is on the other side of the former DDR Council of Ministries building and behind the modernistic building that is actually right beside the DDR building. The architecture resembles that of the building that is the current Finance Ministry (what was once the Air Ministry during World War II). I thought that it might be something from the National Socialist era based on the architecture.
That's the old Reichsbank Building. Now, with the new addition, The Foreign Office.

http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/77/27/42_big.jpg
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Old October 7th, 2014, 08:58 AM   #870
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This one?

Berlin - Außenministerium 2002-08 by Arnim Schulz, on Flickr

It's the Foreign Ministry, built under the Nazis as the Reichsbank in the 30s.
And this is it's modern extension:

Auswärtiges Amt by lars_uhlig, on Flickr
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Old October 7th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #871
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That's It!

Thanks for identifying the building for me. Yes, that's the one about which I was inquiring. I felt sure that it had to have been built prior to World War II.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #872
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Man, it's a shame that the architects in charge want to put their modern crap in this wonderful reconstruction, how big is their ego. Well, maybe the ugliness and dulness of these modern additions will help people realize how beautiful architecture was before. Imagine the embarassment of the architect standing on the inaguration day hearing people say: "beautiful reconstructi... oh my, look at that ugly wall!"

It's like comparing a Michelangelo with a Pollock, one is truly art, the other one is just a trend.

Hopefully the next generation will tear that modern facade down. Cause I'm sure that no one will give a **** about that wall in the future, only the grandson of the arhitect will protest.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 11:21 PM   #873
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Well, maybe the ugliness and dulness of these modern additions will help people realize how beautiful architecture was before. Imagine the embarassment of the architect standing on the inaguration day hearing people say: "beautiful reconstructi... oh my, look at that ugly wall!"
The day that happens I will loose about 20 pounds, aswell as my permanent headache.

Please let it happen before I die....it won't will it?
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Old October 19th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #874
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:19 AM   #875
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Rebuilding the historic center of cities like Berlin has to take a "happy medium" approach. While some structures can be restored in every detail for their historic value, a lot cannot unless the whole area becomes one big museum. That too often is neither practical nor possible. The best solution is often just keeping the facade true to the original and then using the interior for modern purposes. This is often referred to as "adaptive reuse" of a building.

Let's face it, there is little demand for an urban structure that has in no way been updated from what was accepted practice in 1945 or earlier. The same could be said for a medieval building where you would be expected to sleep on straw and use a slop jar. I would like to see you sell that.
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If the soul of a building has to be reduced to the original stones, then there are many 'fake' landmark buildings. Are the brandenburg gates 'fake' because they were half demolished and restored a few years back? Or do the gates represent something larger then the stones themselves.

Have you ever heard an American call the Whitehouse 'fake' because it was reduced to smoldering shell and rebuilt in 1814? Or was the reconstruction a representation of the determination of the people of that time to rebuild and move forward.

Some people just don't get it, and that's fine, the rest of us can enjoy the emotional aspect of what the Stadtschloss represents.
As both of you stated there.

Admittedly I do like the idea of the exterior restored to what it was prior to its destruction much like Poland did with many of its devastated buildings. But; updating the 'innards' to at least state of the art building/safety standards I def agree with 100%
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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:31 AM   #876
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 11:49 PM   #877
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Old October 24th, 2014, 01:22 AM   #878
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Berlin had nice classic buildings before 1945

Nice to see them again
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Berlin had nice classic buildings before 1945

Nice to see them again
Yes, but one or two buildings didn´t define the city. It is good that the city castle gets rebuild but that does not restore the architectural loss of the war. Berlin was a beautiful city, a word you hardly can´t use any more, although many other nice things are said about it.

Personally, I believe Kreuzberg (the old Louisenstadt) was the most attractive part of the city before the war, with its kanals, ponds and classical, urban residential architecture.
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Old October 24th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #880
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But Berlin stills the city in germany with most "Altbauten" / old buildings from the "Gründerzeit". But sure, no compare with the Berlin before the war...

Look for example this thread.

In the center of the city around the Alexander Square and the goverment there dominats the modern architecture, but look at districts around the center...., Prenzlauer Berg, Moabit, Wedding, Friedrichshain, Kreuzberg, Neukölln, Schöneberg, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf... The "Wilhelms Ring"(second big expandation in the Founder Epoch) still mostly there.
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