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Old October 24th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #881
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But Berlin stills the city in germany with most "Altbauten" / old buildings from the "Gründerzeit". But sure, no compare with the Berlin before the war...

Look for example this thread.

In the center of the city around the Alexander Square and the goverment there dominats the modern architecture, but look at districts around the center...., Prenzlauer Berg, Moabit, Wedding, Friedrichshain, Kreuzberg, Neukölln, Schöneberg, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf... The "Wilhelms Ring"(second big expandation in the Founder Epoch) still mostly there.
You´re right. Off course, the architectural quality of those centers vary. Moabit, for one, is in my opinion not that noteworthy.

What I noticed throughout the old Louisenstadt was the, in part, very high quality of remaining old buildings combined with post-war buildings which disturb the overall experience of the area. With a little imagination, however, you can still imagine more or less how it might have been.
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Old October 27th, 2014, 03:25 AM   #882
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Interesting Berlin-TV "Abendschau-report" from the construction.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #883
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old Mosaics at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Memorial - petition for saving them

In front of the Humboldtforum / rebuilded city castle they want to build an memorial for the reunification at the place of the old Kaiser-Wilhelm-Memorial. There still old Mosaics and now they want to move them to another place. I think, they sould save them at this place and create another memorial for the reunification, which coexist with this mosaics...

The mosaics show all state coat of arms of the old unificated german states into the german Reich/ Empire.



Hier in Groß. Quelle und ©Architekturmuseum TU Berlin

Hier nochmal einige Mosaik-Wappen in Groß













Das Wappen des Königreichs Preußen siehe Pläne natürlich in der Mitte als größtes Bundesglied.



Mosaike im Hallenfußboden





Source and ©: Gesellschaft Berliner Schloss e.V.



After war, before GDR deconstructed it.



official plans by the goverment:



Alternativ plan for example:



Source: Deutsches Architektur Forum

There is a petition which you can sign and share, if you like to see them saved at this place.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 03:05 AM   #884
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In front of the Humboldtforum / rebuilded city castle they want to build an memorial for the reunification at the place of the old Kaiser-Wilhelm-Memorial. There still old Mosaics and now they want to move them to another place. I think, they sould save them at this place and create another memorial for the reunification, which coexist with this mosaics...

The mosaics show all state coat of arms of the old unificated german states into the german Reich/ Empire.



Hier in Groß. Quelle und ©Architekturmuseum TU Berlin

Hier nochmal einige Mosaik-Wappen in Groß













Das Wappen des Königreichs Preußen siehe Pläne natürlich in der Mitte als größtes Bundesglied.



Mosaike im Hallenfußboden





Source and ©: Gesellschaft Berliner Schloss e.V.



After war, before GDR deconstructed it.



official plans by the goverment:



Alternativ plan for example:



Source: Deutsches Architektur Forum

There is a petition which you can sign and share, if you like to see them saved at this place.
Why do the bad guys always tear down the monuments? In any event, that modern bowl is a horrible replacement for the Wilhelm memorial. A big teeter totter? What a dopey idea! I hope the German people will insist on something that pays some homage to the beauty that was lost when the GDR tore the monument down.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #885
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Salvaged Sculptures

The lions that were on the base of the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial ended up at the East Berlin Zoo and, as far as I know, are still there. Sorry, but I could not find a photo of them to include here. One of you may, however, have access to one.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 06:13 PM   #886
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Lions Now at the East Berlin Zoo

Here is a photo of two of the lion sculptures that were salvaged by the East German government and set up at the East Berlin Zoo.

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Old November 1st, 2014, 10:29 PM   #887
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They look kinda small there, but they are actually gigantic. five times the size of a real lion.

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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:45 AM   #888
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The coolest thing would've been rebuilding the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial, it looked fantastic. Has that never been considered ?

The official plan for the new memorial looks terrible, btw.

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Old November 2nd, 2014, 04:47 PM   #889
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The coolest thing would've been rebuilding the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial, it looked fantastic. Has that never been considered?
A reconstruction is highly unlikely. Berliners and most germans won't support a reconstruction of a memorial for a Kaiser.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 07:03 PM   #890
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turret and Marienchurch



View from Unter den Linden - Neue Wache





View from Humboldt University



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Old November 3rd, 2014, 05:22 PM   #891
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A reconstruction is highly unlikely. Berliners and most germans won't support a reconstruction of a memorial for a Kaiser.
OK, then reconstruct it to honour the past. IMO nothing else will stand well on the place where this sheer beauty that was the old Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial. Just restore it and call it the Reunification Memorial.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 05:52 PM   #892
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Not only they build an ugly wall in the palace, now they are gonna put more modern crap in front of it. Man, I really don't get these people.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 08:34 PM   #893
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A reconstruction is highly unlikely. Berliners and most germans won't support a reconstruction of a memorial for a Kaiser.
OK, that's too bad. Could you give a short explanation of why? Older German history isn't my strongpoint,
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Its more the "political correctnis", how we call it.

The old "Kaiserreich" and old reunification includes also Slesia, east Prussia, Lothringen, etc..., so some people would see it as an affront to german neighbours maybe.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 09:03 PM   #895
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Is there any monument to Otto von Bismarck standing in Berlin?
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Of course, the Bismarck monument in the Tiergarten...

Statue by Monkeyhang, on Flickr

Nazis moved it for Germania-Plans...

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Old November 3rd, 2014, 11:20 PM   #897
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Old November 4th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #898
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A reconstruction is highly unlikely. Berliners and most germans won't support a reconstruction of a memorial for a Kaiser.
..but we accept statues of Wilhelm II:

Statue of Emperor Wilhelm II and the Cologne Cathedral by mariban, on Flickr
Statue near the Cologne Hohenzollern Bridge
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A reconstruction is highly unlikely. Berliners and most germans won't support a reconstruction of a memorial for a Kaiser.
That's not exactly true. A wealthy German couple paid for the reconstruction of the giant statue of Wilhelm I at the "Deutsches Eck" at Koblenz that was destroyed in the war. I think that memorial is on a par with the one that was in Berlin.


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Old November 4th, 2014, 07:55 PM   #900
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I am fascinated by old statues , they are like masterpiece , just look at them they give you chill for knowing that , those are the things that once were alive and kicking .
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