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Old August 25th, 2011, 11:14 PM   #81
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Why do people oppose the complete reconstruction of the city palace?
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Old August 28th, 2011, 05:50 AM   #82
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Why do people oppose the complete reconstruction of the city palace?
It depends. If it comes to politics, well, some people would say that it would be 'a representation of imperialist Germany rising again', 'a move to erase GDR from German history', 'the victory of capitalism', 'validation of the imperialist terror', etcetera, etcetera.

Some people will quote the economical situation in the country, and that such a project would mean a rise on taxes. Others would say that a complete (external) reconstruction would be too "kitsch" or would look fake.

Of course it will look fake if they built that modernist façade instead of a faithful reconstruction.

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(...) perhaps with a nice tower on top of it. everyone would love that. just like frankfurt did, zeil galery should be a example for berlin
Did you know there was a plan to add a 100-meter tower above Portal III?


(Förderverein Berliner Schloss e.V.)
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Old August 30th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #83
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how was the numbering of the portals organized? Portal III was the main entrance on the west, correct?
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Old August 30th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #84
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Exactly. If seen from above, the numbering would be clockwise:

- Portal I was the one made by Schlüter close to the Lange Brücke, facing the Neuer Marstall and correspondent to the southern portal of Schlosshof II.
- Eosander's Portal II was at the northern end of the Breite Straße, and was a copy of Portal I that led to the first courtyard (Schlosshof I).
- Portal III, built by Eosander, faced the Schlossfreiheit and was the main entrance.
- Schlüter's Portal IV led to Schlosshof I and was decorated with two bronze statues by Peter Clodt v. Jürgensburg. This portal was integrated into the Staatsratsgebäude, making it the largest part of the Stadtschloss still standing. The statues by Jürgensburg can be seen in the Kleistpark.
- Finally, Portal V was a copy of Portal IV, correspondent to the northern portal of Schlosshof II. Portal V also had additional ornaments in the lower windows.

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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:04 AM   #85
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berlin need this as soon as possible please.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 03:39 AM   #86
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Construction progress photos

Has construction or rebuilding begun? If not when will it begin? Are there any photos of the beginning of construction or progress photos?
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Old September 8th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #87
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No they didn't start, it's used as a park for now. Construction should start in 2013 approx.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 04:05 AM   #88
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I can't seem to find it. I think it was on the Humboldt forum. They showed several statues, exterior sculpture and a restored exterior window. One had a column capitol that just a bit that was broken off was repaired/ replaced. When they demolished the palace, where were the sculpture or architectural detail pieces taken? Were any of them saved? Is/was there much left of the original palace detail saved somewhere?

When I first began reading began reading the Berliner Schloss website, they stated that their objective was to restore the exterior and a few room that were significant. Future rooms and restoration would be left for future generations to do. I think this is wise. Do what you can and can afford. Provide the framework for future generations to do. The schloss was built over several centuries and I don't think there could ever be enough money to restore it all at once.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 04:57 PM   #89
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informative thread, didnt know about the one "modernist facade" until now. im a bit sad about it but still happy overall that the old Palast der Republik is gone and that at least from 3 of the four sides this new reconstructed Stadtschloss will add to the atmosphere of this nice place in berlin.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #90
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any news?
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Old December 4th, 2011, 06:04 AM   #91
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I still can't understand why anyone would think having one shitty postmodern side would ever be a good idea.

I second your opinion. It's almost painful to look at. Years later people will come to regret it.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 07:29 AM   #92
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I second your opinion. It's almost painful to look at. Years later people will come to regret it.
That's why I'll always prefer this.

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Old December 4th, 2011, 02:39 PM   #93
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^ Interesting visualisation! Where did you get it from?

I'd so much prefer a reconstructred Spree facade to this modernist crap.
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^ Interesting visualisation! Where did you get it from?

I'd so much prefer a reconstructred Spree facade to this modernist crap.
II made it. t's part of my 3D reconstruction of the Stadtschloss, seen on Google Earth.

The modernist façade is, indeed, the worst replacement for what was the oldest part of the palace (taking into account that the transverse wing is going to be built that way too). If Stella's design is finished, any chance of architectural unity in the Marstall-Palace-Cathedral axis will be lost.
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I'm thinking about creating a Cause/Site on facebook calling for a reconstruction of the Spree facade.
It might get enough attention to make planners reconsider some things if it gets big enough.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #96
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Or better yet organize one of those "Occupy" things with your Wunderbar buddies!
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Old December 18th, 2011, 12:17 PM   #97
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Did you know there was a plan to add a 100-meter tower above Portal III?


(Förderverein Berliner Schloss e.V.)
It would be cool if they build this tower as well. Why just a reconstruction, if we can make some things better? Every little mistake in the original design can be restored in the new version. Nonetheless i hope the modern facade towards the Spree river will be reconsidered.

What's going to happen with the statue of Karl Marx in front of the old Kulturpalast? Will he be replaced by some pre-WWII German emperor?
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According to this article, the construction start of the Humboldt Forum (partial Berlin Castle reconstruction) is approved for March 2012!

http://translate.google.de/translate...in-Wunder.html

(German article Google translated)
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Old January 4th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #99
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I thought that it would begin in 2013. It's good to know they will start soon
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:59 AM   #100
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What will happen to the Humboldt Box? I know it is on the site just for a while until they start constructing the palace. But i kind of like the architecture of it. I hope it gets a definitive location elsewhere in the citycenter.
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