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Old June 29th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #1301
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How amazing would this view be, if the facade facing the Spree would also be baroque...?



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Old June 29th, 2015, 09:54 PM   #1302
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It's not lifeless nor sterile.
"I don't expect a *modernist* to get it"
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Old June 29th, 2015, 10:04 PM   #1303
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There was talk of how the modernist facade emulates that of the old Palast der Republik when viewed from former East Berlin.

Brilliant if you ask me.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 10:15 PM   #1304
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Old June 29th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #1305
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There was talk of how the modernist facade emulates that of the old Palast der Republik when viewed from former East Berlin.
Not really... They might be both "modernist" but other than that both facades are completely different:



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Old June 30th, 2015, 01:07 AM   #1306
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There was talk of how the modernist facade emulates that of the old Palast der Republik when viewed from former East Berlin.

Brilliant if you ask me.
Well if that was the architects intention, he failed on almost every level, because it's barely comparable to the Palast.

The most distinctive feature of the palast (the orange glass) isn't even present.

Plus if they were going to do that, why not just reuse the materials from the palast (which would look alot better than what they are building)?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 12:04 PM   #1307
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I wonder why the architectural team went with such thick spacing between the windows. Would have liked them to be thin like the fourth floor.

I'm wondering where the exhibits for the museum is coming from. They take up the entire third and fourth floor which is a lot of square footage to fill up. And does the museum have a paid entry or can you just walk in?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:01 PM   #1308
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I'm wondering where the exhibits for the museum is coming from. They take up the entire third and fourth floor which is a lot of square footage to fill up. And does the museum have a paid entry or can you just walk in?
The exhibits will come from the Dahlemer (district of Berlin) Ethnological Museum:

Dahlem museums /main entrance by itineri.de, on Flickr

Ethnologisches Museum Berlin-Dahlem by Antjou, on Flickr

Dahlem museums /men's hut outside by itineri.de, on Flickr

Ethnologisches Museum Berlin-Dahlem by Antjou, on Flickr

They belong to the largest and most important ethnological collections in the world. Even though two floors of the Palace/Humboldt Forum is lots of space, they still won't be able to showcase each of their about 500.000 objects. Some very small, some as large as houses or actually real houses.

Before WWII the exhibits were housed in this destroyed building right in the city center:

Berlin - Königliches Museum für Völkerkunde, um 1905 by Ireck Andreas Litzbarski, on Flickr

Now after laying dormant for so long in Dahlem, at the edge of Berlin, the exhibition finally returns home to the very center of the city.

I'm pretty sure, there will be an entry fee, like in all of Berlin's high profile museums.

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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #1309
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The good news is that the characterless, sterile eastern facade is a 'blank slate'. At some point, when the common belief realizes how abundantly silly the 'new Berlin Wall' looks as part of this historic complex, it will be easy to add the appropriate surfaces. Right now, the unfinished structural concrete walls on the north, west and south look like the east will in its finished state. Soon the baroque outer elements will be added...just like they could on the east side in due course.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #1310
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Eventually if some more money is found somewhere, perhaps they could re-construct the eastern façade to suit the rest of the palace. To me, at the moment, it just looks weird. But who knows? Maybe time will change things.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #1311
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Not really... They might be both "modernist" but other than that both facades are completely different:






The national socialist era structure nearby is much more similar to the new eastern facade.

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Old July 1st, 2015, 06:31 PM   #1312
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Well, both in architecture and politics there, national socialist era is modern again...
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Old July 1st, 2015, 09:57 PM   #1313
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I was pleased to hear about this project, as I like the thought of lost buildings being restored, along with some of the beauty and elegance that seemed to be gone forever. There again it seems slightly strange to be rebuilding lost palaces from scratch when there are existing historic buildings, including grand and beautiful ones, that are crumbling into ruins, or even facing demolition. Still, ideally both things would be done- preservation and re-creation.

Indeed the 'modern' part looks like a Nazi barrack block, and I don't particularly care for that. Hopefully a more Classical/Baroque water-front will be added in due course, in keeping with the remainder of the structure and the adjacent cathedral.

I thought the building looked a bit odd, to begin with, with a dome on one of the (short) ends. Maybe a dome on both sides would be better, with a bigger dome in the middle.

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Old July 1st, 2015, 11:41 PM   #1314
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Not really... They might be both "modernist" but other than that both facades are completely different.
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Well if that was the architects intention, he failed on almost every level, because it's barely comparable to the Palast.

The most distinctive feature of the palast (the orange glass) isn't even present.

Plus if they were going to do that, why not just reuse the materials from the palast (which would look alot better than what they are building)?

The minimalist style coupled with the relatively sharp angles are found in both structures. While the new facade most definitely does not fully resemble the old Palast, it certainly does emulate it and allude to it. This, in my opinion, was the intention of the architect, and was most likely a strong reason for this design's selection. Namely, the building, which sits in the heart of Berlin Mitte, symbolizes the rejoining and reconciliation of two sides of contemporary German history.

Quite brilliant if you ask me.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 12:06 AM   #1315
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The minimalist style coupled with the relatively sharp angles are found in both structures. While the new facade most definitely does not fully resemble the old Palast, it certainly does emulate it and allude to it. This, in my opinion, was the intention of the architect, and was most likely a strong reason for this design's selection. Namely, the building, which sits in the heart of Berlin Mitte, symbolizes the rejoining and reconciliation of two sides of contemporary German history.

Quite brilliant if you ask me.
So, did Franco Stella emulate the PdR in all his other works as well?







They are all "minimalist" with "sharp angles" with a nod to neoclassicism. It's just Stella's stylistic. You are reading way too much into it.
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I always though a post-modern international-style sleek building would be much better there to house the museum and other institutions.

In any case... it would be fun to have each side of the external walls built to a different architectural style. They could keep the front on resembling the original and the back as designed, but change the side walls: one expressionist, other one brutalist.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:19 AM   #1317
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"I don't expect a *modernist* to get it"
I'm not a "modernist". I equally support all architectural styles. Unlike most classicists, I don't reject styles I dislike as inherently inferior.

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 02:56 AM   #1318
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In any case... it would be fun to have each side of the external walls built to a different architectural style. They could keep the front on resembling the original and the back as designed, but change the side walls: one expressionist, other one brutalist.
Oh god, don't give them ideas.

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I'm not a "modernist". I equally support all architectural styles. Unlike most classicists, I don't reject styles I dislike as inherently inferior.
Well, this is a opinion forum after all. Rejecting things you dislike is kind of the norm.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 05:18 AM   #1319
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The modern part of the facade looks really bad. What a shame.

If it at last was interesting or innovative. But they selected the simplest and most boring type of modern facade possible (one step above simple concrete wall though).
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The modern part of the facade looks really bad. What a shame.

If it at last was interesting or innovative. But they selected the simplest and most boring type of modern facade possible (one step above simple concrete wall though).
I really don't understand what's so bad about that side being boring and too simple. I don't like it either, but at least it will be unnoticeable and it probably won't ruin other three sides of the palace. Sure, the best thing they could've done was to reconstruct the palace in its old glory, but since that didn't happen, it's better to have something that's not invasive and that won't bring disharmony. In the future we can just tear down that part and rebuilt it as it was since reconstructions are proving to be more popular than ever (Dresden, Braunschweig, Potsdam, Berlin, etc.)
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