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Old July 5th, 2015, 06:13 PM   #1361
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I read on some other thread Erbse was on a two month trip.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #1362
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It just needs more trees next to the pavements I guess.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 12:47 PM   #1363
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He got brigged for 2 months (shown as a ban) cause of hot girls stuff...

And now plz back to topic or use this thread for this kind of questions, thx.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 06:20 PM   #1364
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I have been following the plans for reconstruction of the Stadtschloss for over a decade and have loved to follow this post. I want to say thanks especially to Ludi for those incredible interior shots. I am dumbfounded that anyone decided to build that boring, senseless back on the building... that is the side that will be reflecting into the Spree, and it looks awful in my honest opinion. I hope they will see their mistake one day and build it properly. I, as well as quite a few others on this page, would also love to see the National Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial rebuilt. Why put some ugly socialist art in its place? The foundations are still there! Well anyways, I love following all the posts. Thanks to all of you that contribute and keep folks like me thousands of miles away in the loop .
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Old July 7th, 2015, 12:18 AM   #1365
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If you look to the history of civil engineering, you will see that technical innovations brought up sudden and lasting changes on building styles, because such innovations allowed new things to be built, new methods to be used, and/or more efficient techniques to be employed.

A very good example, albeit irrelevant for the palace, is the fact that elevators (lifts) made it economically feasible to build much taller buildings. Cranes allowed designs that previously would be impossible (using scaffolding). Reinforced concrete opened a whole new world of possibilities. Who knows what graphene might bring us in 20-40 years....

The most important issue here is not that a building is being built in an older style (which would made it merely kitsch), but that a historical falsification is taking place. They are rebuilding a structure that was destroyed partially by war and then razed by the evil communists, a structure that didn't exist for 4 decades, and then pretend it was always there, as if it was a mere deep restoration project.

Now, again, I don't mind the complete wipe-out of everything non-utilitarian the commies built (I'm in favor of completely dismantling the Soviet Monument in Treptower, demolishing the existing TV Tower and building another one twice as high, and removing every Russian/Soviet/Red Army commemorative building other than war cemeteries holding the dead, for instance), but that doesn't mean old structures should be rebuilt decades after like in Dresden. Building something attune to 21st Century, modern, using state-of-the-art design and materials, would be a much better "statement" of victory over the commies than nostalgia.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 12:42 AM   #1366
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Who says this has anything to do with a sentiment so crude as "victory over the commies?" Of course architecture is a representation of values, but in some circles politics and ideology has polluted architecture to an absurd degree. And naturally it follows that only one type of architecture is allowed to be neutral, pure, progressive, etc. But those values are arbitrary.

It's all very reactionary. One side of the same coin that spawns propagandist buildings.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 12:47 AM   #1367
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We get it, you hate the word "reconstruction" and you don't like historical styles either.

The reconstructed palace is not falsification because the reinforced concrete won't be visible from the inside and the outside. The value of buildings is in their design, not material or way of construction. If you ask me, it shows how we can adjust our own inventions with the inventions of our predecessors. It also shows that there is no war that can destroy our creativity, culture or lifestyle. We will always take back what has been painfully taken from us. The palace will look as it looked before war, inspite of usage of modern materials. It will return and it will become one of the greatest symbols of majestic city of Berlin and people like you can't do anything about it. It will also have a new, modern facade which will show it wasn't there this whole time. You should get yourself informed and then write some nonsense.

Also, the demolition of the TV Tower would be a disaster for a city like Berlin. It is the very symbol of Berlin and probably one of the best-known buildings in Germany and Europe. It's like New York demolishes Empire State Building or Statue of Liberty and constructs their larger copies. It would be idiotic, don't you think?!
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Old July 7th, 2015, 04:00 AM   #1368
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You do not want to see this yourself, trust me. The pictures fool you...
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Gadjowsky, are you studying architecture in university? If so, it would explain many of your views.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #1369
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Old July 7th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #1370
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Also, the demolition of the TV Tower would be a disaster for a city like Berlin. It is the very symbol of Berlin and probably one of the best-known buildings in Germany and Europe. It's like New York demolishes Empire State Building or Statue of Liberty and constructs their larger copies. It would be idiotic, don't you think?!
Personally, I hold anything built by commies above a degree of symbolism as a vile thing that should be eradicated. Didn't the Germans, in West and East, rightfully so, removed virtually all Nazi-Socialist monuments, insignia (even if the swastika was originally a Southeast Asian symbol), statues and what else? That was an appropriate measure at the time and I lament East Germany (and Poland, Latvia, Hungary etc) didn't embark in a similar program to completely erase the architectural distinctive production of the commies. The TV tower should have been demolished like the Palace of the Republic that used to be on the lot where the Humbold-Forum is being built - but that is a matter for another thread. It is sad so much communist symbolic structures were not wiped out from the face of the Earth, in a way that in maybe 60-80 years from now a casual visitor to Berlin would never know communist ever built anything that lasted.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #1371
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Der Fernsehturm bleibt, wo er ist.

Dieser Turm ist eine großartiges Bauwerk und ein Teil deutscher Geschichte.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 07:46 PM   #1372
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In english plz Klaus.

The TV Tower should be modernized one day, but with some new highrises around it would be a nice Skyline from Lustgarten with historical buildings and in the background TV Tower and some Highrises...

Alexanderplatz-discussions you can follow for example here in german or in the int. Berlin Project thread here.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #1373
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Sounds like a vanity project..something like "the rebirth of the Phoenix"..
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Old July 8th, 2015, 09:20 AM   #1374
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Sounds like a vanity project..something like "the rebirth of the Phoenix"..
What's that supposed to mean? If you are implying, that the City Palace/Humboldt Forum is a project of prestige for Berlin and Germany (it's Germany's biggest culture project since the Reunification.) then you are right, yes.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #1375
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Most of the renderings show the cross at the top of the dome, which of course is historically and culturally correct. The kings and kaisers were heads of the Church as well. I sure hope that the contemporary irreverence to things Christian does not lead to something other than the cross atop the dome.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #1376
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So the street next to the Palace will become pedestrian?
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:40 PM   #1377
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Most of the renderings show the cross at the top of the dome, which of course is historically and culturally correct. The kings and kaisers were heads of the Church as well. I sure hope that the contemporary irreverence to things Christian does not lead to something other than the cross atop the dome.
Just a few weeks ago news came out, that the the widow of a large German mail-order company tycoon donated 1 million € to reconstruct the original cross topping the dome. So, no need to worry about that.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 03:37 PM   #1378
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How exciting to see the second floor windows being framed and scaffolding rising for brickwork. Judging from the Webcam, there is a LOT going on about the palace.
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Does anyone on this forum know when the Bauacademie will begin reconstruction?
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Old July 8th, 2015, 08:08 PM   #1380
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Just a few weeks ago news came out, that the the widow of a large German mail-order company tycoon donated 1 million € to reconstruct the original cross topping the dome. So, no need to worry about that.
No doubt that some ultra-politically-correct person will claim that it's 'oppressive' or a violation of their 'human rights'. Similar to what happens whenever there's an attempt to instate some form of Christian symbolism.
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