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Old September 5th, 2015, 02:06 AM   #1441
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BERLIN | City Palace Reconstruction (Stadtschloss) - "Humboldt-Forum" | U/C



Photo by: frank1204. http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org...597&pageNo=446

The bases for the colossal columns on the west facade are looking great!
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Old September 5th, 2015, 06:09 PM   #1442
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thx, but you got permission to use his pics?
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Old September 5th, 2015, 06:18 PM   #1443
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They are signed so there shouldn't be any problem, I think
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Old September 5th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #1444
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Quality Work

Every time I see a "close up" of the finish work on the new building it's obvious that the quality for which German workmanship is known worldwide is going into the construction.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:44 AM   #1445
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thx, but you got permission to use his pics?
I thought credit and link was enough. I've got his permission now (after your message). Thanks for the tip.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #1446
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No doubt that some ultra-politically-correct person will claim that it's 'oppressive' or a violation of their 'human rights'. Similar to what happens whenever there's an attempt to instate some form of Christian symbolism.
That's just stupid. If a cross was on the original building, then just leave it on. It's a historic German symbol.
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Old September 7th, 2015, 09:58 PM   #1447
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What are you guys even talking about? The original cross will be on top of the building. It has already been donated for one million € by a German billionaire's widow.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 07:14 AM   #1448
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Does anybody else find this reconstruction to be a bit problematic? I understand the DDR Building was structurally unsound (and carried bad memories for many) but maybe something entirely new should have occurred on the site - insteading of dwelling on the past. What about a symbol for Germany's future?
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Old September 8th, 2015, 02:43 PM   #1449
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This IS a symbol of Germany's future!
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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #1450
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Does anybody else find this reconstruction to be a bit problematic? I understand the DDR Building was structurally unsound (and carried bad memories for many) but maybe something entirely new should have occurred on the site - insteading of dwelling on the past. What about a symbol for Germany's future?
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Does anybody else find this reconstruction to be a bit problematic? I understand the DDR Building was structurally unsound (and carried bad memories for many) but maybe something entirely new should have occurred on the site - insteading of dwelling on the past. What about a symbol for Germany's future?
Why would we need yet ANOTHER modern building? There are plenty of modern buildings that point to the future. I think that this building is actually a great symbol of moving ahead without forgetting the past. They say those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, after all. I personally think its silly that Germany has gone all this time being such a prominent european country withOUT a palace representing its imperial history. Would germany deny what made them a world power in the first place? France glorifies the sun king, russia catherine the great, britain queen Victoria. Think of royal palaces of Russia, England, France, Spain, Poland even rebuilt THEIRS after the war, and they even rebuilt the interiors! To complain about what is only a facade, not even the interiors just seems petty to me.
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If you don't agree with the politics of what I just said, I'd still argue that the artistic worth of the sculptures alone on the palace facade far outweigh anything a modern building would bring to the table, not to mention keeping old crafts like bricklaying and sculpting alive
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Old September 8th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #1453
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Does anybody else find this reconstruction to be a bit problematic? I understand the DDR Building was structurally unsound (and carried bad memories for many) but maybe something entirely new should have occurred on the site - insteading of dwelling on the past. What about a symbol for Germany's future?
No, not at all. What you have to consider first, Berlin wouldn't be Berlin without the palace. The city of today would have stayed the small, provincial town it was in the Renaissance era, if the Prussian electors, later kings and later German emperors hadn't made it their residence. All of today's Berlin grew around the palace. It was the city's focus point. There would be no use for Berlin's most famous boulevard Unter den Linden with the Brandenburg Gate, if it wasn't leading from and to the palace. There would be no use for the Cathedral without the palace, there would be no use for the Zeughaus (royal armory), the Marstall (royal stables), for the Lustgarten (pleasure grounds), for the Schlossbrücke (Palace Bridge) and even no use for Museum Island, if there was no palace. After the grave mistake and horrible crime, that the destruction of the palace was, the city as a whole didn't make sense anymore. The most important building every other building and street was referring to, was completely gone. It's like London without the Tower or Moscow without the Kremlin. There was only one real solution to heal the city...and that was giving it back it's heart. Not some freaky, modern experiment, to turn it into Frankenstein's monster.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #1454
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Does anybody else find this reconstruction to be a bit problematic? I understand the DDR Building was structurally unsound (and carried bad memories for many) but maybe something entirely new should have occurred on the site - insteading of dwelling on the past. What about a symbol for Germany's future?
What do you have in mind? A mosque?
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Old September 9th, 2015, 01:42 PM   #1455
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On Schedule?

Looks like construction is moving along quickly. Does anyone know if construction is on schedule? Thanks!
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Old September 9th, 2015, 03:46 PM   #1456
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Once the whole building is finished and everyone agrees that the modern facade is a disgrace, could it be destroyed without threatening the building structure?
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The Spree facade isn't structurally important at all. The courtyard baroque facade that it also carries can be structurally independent like all other facades. So yes, it can be torn down without much hassle (another thing Franco Stella might have planned on purpose ).

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It actually is a bit ahead of schedule. Let's see what the winter brings. If it's a largely mild one again like the last, construction works can proceed even quicker.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 05:50 PM   #1458
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Old September 12th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #1459
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Palace Blueprints

Hey, I found a site with elevations and floor plans of the palace!
They appear to have been drawn by schulter himself but not sure
Here's the gallery with all the pictures including many interior pictures
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/searc...ss%22&qt=false

I wont post links to the ground floor or main floor cause their plans are fairly easy to find, but the site also has plans for those.
some random elevation
http://biblio.unibe.ch/web-apps/maps...l=ryh&ilang=DE
Schulter courtyard and an exterior elevation with the turret things
http://biblio.unibe.ch/web-apps/maps...l=ryh&ilang=DE
This SAYS its the ground floor, but it seems to be more that one floor between the ground floor and the stateroom floor
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...00WM/46375.jpg
here's an elevation of the spree facade
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...00WM/14567.jpg
This has an elevation of the eosander portal, as well as portal 1
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...M/B%200331.jpg
a plan of the main entrance on the schulterhof
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...M/B%200330.jpg
an elevation of portal 5 (dont get excited, that cutaway is from a different building)
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...M/B%200332.jpg
cutaway of the weisser saal
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...00WM/17275.jpg
cutaway of the chapel
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...00WM/17274.jpg
this seems to be the ground floor plan for that one strange older building separating the inner and outer courtyards
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...00WM/19349.jpg
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Old September 12th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #1460
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also, check it out! I never noticed before, but there were tiny windows hidden in the base of the roof balustrade! I sadly doubt THOSE are getting restored... still, gotta be grateful we're getting a reconstruction in the first place
http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...9&Daten=145700
and is it just me, or are those MEZZANINE windows right below the windows of the main floor?!! could just be vents though
and check out that little crown ontop of the corner dome/turret thing! every time I look at this picture, I notice something new...
And on the fourth floor, there's supposed to be a window hidden into that right eosander portal chamfer, but they are forgetting about it in the reconstruction! Now I'm getting annoyed...
oh, and check out that little staircase thingy going from the roof into the windows of the dome! All these little details...

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