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Old November 8th, 2015, 04:59 PM   #1521
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Also very interesting, probably the most for dodo00:

The official site of the Stadtschloss reconstruction wrote an article (in German) about the reconstruction of the statues adorning the facades:
http://berliner-schloss.de/blog/die-...saden-teil-ii/

They want to get as close to the original baroque sculptures as possible with the help of many old photos taken at different times and perspectives. Before their destruction after WWII some of the statues were already replaced by Wilhelmine (or as some forumers would call it "Victorian" ) copies of the statues. These statues had lost most of their baroque dynamism and lightness and were modeled after 19th century preferences.

Baroque original (on the left):


Wilhelmine copy (on the left):


Now the original baroque versions will be recreated, not the Wilhelmine ones.

A so called "bolzetti" a still sketchy, smaller clay version of the upcoming recreations, were you can already guess the baroque dynamism:


A life-sized gypsum recreation of a royal crest that will later be carved in stone:



Here the crest at it's original place situated above the statues:
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Old November 8th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #1522
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That IS interesting. Tiaras, didn't you say they were creating the most recent version of the palace? Was that just conjecture, because this flies in the face of that. Still, I'm torn, because though I usually prefer imperfections to be recreated, I'm for some reason happy to get original statues...
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Old November 9th, 2015, 05:10 AM   #1523
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I had never seen a color picture of the Schluterhof, but it makes it seem so much more real! Foreboding too... but I noticed, there is no hole in the concrete for that window in the corner of the top floor! They can recreate all the statues so accurately, yet purposefully omit all these windows!

EDIT: upon further thought, they're probably going to reconstruct the window, but just have it as a recessed opening instead of a full window. In the future I've decided to save my gripes for after construction is completed, because you remember the mezzanine windows I pointed out? They did reconstruct them, but in a recessed form instead of full window form. I'm convinced that they are dealing with irregular windows in this method across the board now, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 06:37 AM   #1524
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How dilapidated the Palace looked, but it still stood! I assume this was post-war? A crime to have destroyed it in the first place!
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Old November 10th, 2015, 07:27 AM   #1525
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No, that was before the war, it had just absorbed all the soot of 230 years.
Here's some photos to show the palace interior after the war! Warning, it's depressing...

Weissersaal


Elizabethsaal


Rittersaal, probably looking northeast


first floor (second floor in america) hallway on north side of schluterhof


altekapelle, looking south i think


marmortreppe, looking northeast i think


gigantentreppe, first floor (second in america) looking west


Tiaren, you remember when you said they CAN reconstruct rooms if they want after its done? Do you know if that's an official add on, or just a suggestion like how they said they might leave it to future generations? I really hope its a real possibility!
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Old November 10th, 2015, 06:56 PM   #1526
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Hi, I'm new to this forum, it's great! I've been following the project for a few weeks now. Just a few questions about the reconstruction.. Will the two smaller domes be reconstructed at a later date or are they not included within the rebuild? And will the gates be reinstated at each portal or will they be left out ? Thanks guys, Chris
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Old November 10th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #1527
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I know the corner domes are getting rebuilt, but I haven't seen the gates in any renders that I can remember.. I think they're getting glass doors instead?

I also found some more interior plans I wanted to post

Erbse posted this cutaway of the eosander portal, chapel, and dome


Here's another site with tons of info on interiors

german so that you can see pdfs
http://www.berliner-historische-mitt...ossraeume.html
english so you can read the titles
https://translate.googleusercontent....xqY4u9Bzg7riXg

One interesting thing on there, I never thought I'd see photos from the third floor (mezzanine) but here they were!
http://www.berliner-historische-mitt...nstkammern.pdf

Finally, this site has information on the early water systems of the palace, as well as a cutaway that shows that before the dome was added, there used to be cisterns above the eosander portal! Also, The site contains a decent floor plan of the south corner of the third floor, something I've never seen before.

http://www.luise-berlin.de/bms/bmstxt00/0008prob.htm

in english
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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Old November 11th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #1528
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I know the corner domes are getting rebuilt
They aren't intended for reconstruction currently. I just hope they'll get added later, like some important interiors that could easily come back (like the Gigantentreppe / main staircase and its adjacent Schweizer Saal / Swiss Saloon).
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Old November 11th, 2015, 02:07 AM   #1529
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They're not?!!! But they were in all the renders... Anyways, erbse, have you found any more cutaways or a better 3rd floor plan? The one I found was only partial and the complete version we see is that one with no doorways. Also, I noticed they haven't left room for reconstruction of the Elizabeth saal, the third floor cuts right through it. That was disappointing...
Edit: Augh! Same thing with the rittersaal! I had no idea they were only considering the schweizer saal...
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:29 AM   #1530
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Those post war interior pictures are heartbreaking!
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Old November 11th, 2015, 05:45 AM   #1531
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Old November 11th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #1532
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dodo00 - Thank you for the reply! I hope the gates will be included somehow. I wonder what happened to the originals, they must have been salvaged before demolition.

Erbse - It's a shame that they are not being included but hopefully in future they will be incorporated into the design, especially if they were looking to base the reconstruction on what it looked like just before the war. where they purely decoration or did they have some sort of usage ? I agree, the Gigantentreppe would look incredible!
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Old November 11th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #1533
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It looks like things are going according to plans, but Portal I will have to do some catching up.

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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #1534
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I don't trust the blueprints online a great deal... I'm always finding small discrepancies in window size and/or placement
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #1535
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Oh, that's supposed to be end of 2015? Great! I'm so sick of the portals, the most interesting parts of the facades, being big grey rectangles. It makes the project feel less complete than it actually is
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Old November 14th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #1536
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Go here to donate and find more info: http://berliner-schloss.de/en/donations/ Just a friendly reminder that you can more than just admire this project. You can actually help build something that will be there for the ages. Without getting into a war discussion I especially ask my fellow Americans to donate since we had a hand in so much of the architectural losses. Obviously Germany is our friend and we should help our friends. We are about halfway there on the money needed to recreate the baroque facades and Schluterhof.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 01:03 PM   #1537
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I saw this monstrosity under construction in Berlin last week. I have to say this is the most ill-conceived and ridiculous project I've ever come across - especially given it's in an apparently forward-looking place like Berlin.
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I think that this is the type of commentary that you need to avoid. If you don't like it, please don't say that in this community, well at least in that way.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 02:58 PM   #1539
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enobarbus:
The Berlin City Palace is about restoring the heart of the city that was ripped off by war and communists. It's a crucial part of Berlin's and Germany's identity, it's like New York's Statue of Liberty or France's Arc de Triomphe or Versailles Palace would be blown away. Do you really think it would be ill-conceived to reconstruct these? Or was it ill-conceived to reconstruct the Campanile of Venice?

Berlin is forward looking. But you also need to know where you came from, to know where you are going!
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Old November 25th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #1540
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I saw this monstrosity under construction in Berlin last week. I have to say this is the most ill-conceived and ridiculous project I've ever come across - especially given it's in an apparently forward-looking place like Berlin.
Berlin is luckily indifferent to what people like you, who might be "forward looking", yet "appearantly narrow mindedly" thinks.

For me, it appears the most likely that you lack perspectives concerning the city´s aspirations - or maybe - that you simply disagree with them, wich is then a completely different business.

Can´t wait to see the finished Forum, although I also keep a great reserve about the modernist waterfront facade; a great miscalculation to an otherwise great project.

The real value of the project can be judged only after the area of the Marx-Engels re-developed.
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