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Old November 25th, 2012, 07:28 AM   #141
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Left Over Space in Mitte

I think that as the city continues to grow and the reurbanization of Mitte continues apace, the open space between the Stadtschloss and Alexanderplatz will also "fill-in". I hope, at least...

While parks are great additions to an urban core...see Paris, London, Manhattan, Boston, even the Tiergarten in west Berlin, etc., this space in Mitte feels more like "left-over" space created by the DDR because it fit into an ideological context not an urban one.

Anyway, I hope the city works with private developers in the future to create a plan for a dynamic reconstruction of this "left-over" space and, yes, reserve space for the incorporation of a meaningful urban park that is itself part of a historic center city.

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Und zum Schluss noch ein Bild auf dem man gut die Ausmaße erkennen kann und auch die gewaltige Anzahl an Kränen über der Stadt:

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Old March 11th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #143
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Yeah, thanks for pulling this back to the top, we're finnally getting into the exciting phase!
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Btw, there were other design concepts for the River Spree facade / East facade of the Stadtschloss.

I for one was rooting for an open castle courtyard. Would be a wonderful venue for the city!

Stephan Braunfels Architekten interestingly shares my vision.

While I don't like their plans for the Marienviertel (to-be-rebuilt old town quarter across the river in front of the City Hall) - I really like the open cour d'honneur.

http://www.braunfels-architekten.de/...chloss-berlin/

















Source all: http://www.braunfels-architekten.de/...chloss-berlin/
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I added loads of (mostly) current renderings to the first post of this thread here, to show you at first sight how the Berliner Stadtschloss will probably look like!
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A model of the castle before WW2 (inside the Humboldtbox - information center at the site of the castle):


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The Humboldtbox itself - temporary information center about the Humboldt-Forum / Castle reconstruction project in Berlin-Mitte:


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Inside Humboldtbox:

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Humboldtbox at night:

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Slideshow of the Berlin City Palace:

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For those who are in love with the European Classic Architecture Forum just as I am:

I created a reference thread for your overview there.

BERLIN City Palace (Stadtschloss) - Reconstruction as 'Humboldt-Forum' - References
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Old March 11th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #151
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Pachelbel's canon fits perfectly to the subject of that video, it's beautiful.

Regarding architect Braunfels' design, I have to say that it doesn't include the east side of the Schlüterhof, something that Stella's project does. But by now, it seems to be the only decent alternative, as it would allow a late reconstruction of the east wing, which btw was the oldest part of the palace.

The sad thing is that, it seems, they won't be rebuilding the Schlosshof I.

(is there any approved project to rebuild the Marienviertel?)
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In the model for the Marienviertel, are the two rows of new buildings extending from the river to the broadcast tower intended to look as indicated, or are the "brown blocks" simply place-holders at this time? What a perfect opportunity to integrate the newly constructed palace and old rathaus with a classic promenade that leads up to the modern Alexander platz.
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It didn't receive any more damage than the rest of Berlin.

You can see the damage to the east façade compared to the Marienviertel on the right of these comparison pictures originally posted on the Architectura Pro Homine:
Before the War:

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The main reason for the subsequent demolition by the communist East Germany (Pictures) was it's status as a symbol for an unwanted (and failed) system (the monarchy) right in the centre of it's new and modern (communist) capital.

Ironically the demolition of the palace of the republic (picture in a better state, and another one from the east) on this very spot had pretty much the exact same reasons. It was a symbol of the communist past of East Germany in the centre of the new All-German capital.
(The official reason was it's asbestos contamination, but almost every building from the 70ies has this problem. One of the more prominent examples is the ICC-Building, opened 1979 in the former west of Berlin, and nobody is going to demolish that one.)


Very sad.

I didn't know so much of the outer structure of the palace had survived the war.
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The Berlin City Palace (Berliner Stadtschloss in German) will be (partly) reconstructed.

Its site marked the historical core of the German capital, being the root for the city's development.
After considerable damage in World War 2, it still could have been rebuilt - but the GDR government of East Berlin
decided to blow it up in 1950. This act of crime was followed by a huge parade ground for the GDR authorities -
and in 1976, the Palace of the Republic (Palast der Republik)
was built on its site. In 2008, the demolition of this historical hoax was finally finished.

You can comprehend the whole process until today at this thread.

Since reunification in 1990, there were various initiatives coming up for the reconstruction of the Berlin Castle.
In 2002, the German parliament (Bundestag) made the decision to partly rebuild the Palace complex
as the new Humboldt-Forum.
This concept is intended as a combination of a museum and a venue for events. The museum will show non-European
exhibits & art, as a counterpart to the Museum Island, which represents European history.
So altogether, this part of Berlin will establish a prominent place of world culture.


Current visualizations/renderings of the Berlin Palace / Humboldt-Forum (as of March 2013):

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http://www.welt.de/kultur/article787...efaehrdet.html

At Schlossplatz (Palace/Castle Square)



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From "Lustgarten" seen from the front of the Altes Museum

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Sadly the Spree river facade (east facade) will probably be spoilt by a boxy modernist appendix (architect: Franco Stella)...

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Scheme graphics of the Stadtschloss:





Source of all: http://www.golden-section-graphics.c...-stadtschloss/


Oh, this is superb - so much more extensive and grand and ambitious than I had expected.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 04:14 AM   #156
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I don't like the reconstruction plan at all, the new rationalist parts fit only in the floor plan and the building itself to be honest isn't anything worth regretting for. But yeah, history, nation blah blah so thumbs up for Germans and your new... erm, shopping mall?

That being said, there were more proposals for the site and I am having trouble finding them. If anyone would be so kind to help me out it would be highly appreciated(subject maybe covered in other threads?).
The Hans Kollhoff's plan interests me the most and this is all I found about it by now:



So yeah please give it a little research, especially if you are German
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This won't be a shopping mall nor will it look like one. I really don't like the modern side of the palace and I think it looks terrible but I really am riddled by your comment here.
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A model of the castle before WW2 (inside the Humboldtbox - information center at the site of the castle):


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It's depressing. You can see the beauty of old Berlin compared to the rendering to the right.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #159
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my own pics, ©Ludi

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Here the Webcam:

http://www.cityscope.de/bss/

More pics and updates in the german-Thread for the project.
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^ Great, thanks Ludi!

Btw: The foundation stone ceremony is scheduled for the 12th of June 2013!

Berlin Stadtschloss coming along! Finally!
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