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Old April 12th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #1761
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Why does "modern interpretation" always have to mean stripping something of everything that makes it interesting and unique? It looks cheap and hastily constructed, like the river façade tacked onto the new palace. I'm simply unable to see sublimity in the commonplace.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 01:43 AM   #1762
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Why does "modern interpretation" always have to mean stripping something of everything that makes it interesting and unique? It looks cheap and hastily constructed, like the river façade tacked onto the new palace. I'm simply unable to see sublimity in the commonplace.
In the era after video and photography, it makes no sense to spend lots of money, time and aggravation to build ornaments. We have plenty of screens to entertain ourselves with detail, buildings should overwhelm and awe us with their larger-of-life scale (hence my love for big clean-line buildings that are enormous geometric volumes looked close by)
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Old April 13th, 2016, 10:35 AM   #1763
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^ Yeah. We should all be surrounded by smartphones and screens that entertain us. Lol.

Ornaments aren't for mere "entertaining purposes", they are a timeless beauty that won't need anything but some maintenance once in a while. No energy, no blinking lights, just calm and silent beauty that will remain for ages.


Anyway, the Spree facade likely won't be much better than this render, but let's still wait for final results to judge:


http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berli...ffnen-23267162
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Old April 13th, 2016, 06:17 PM   #1764
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We need your support!

Petition to reconstruct the Kaiser Wilhelm Monument.

https://www.change.org/p/michael-m%C...p#delivered-to

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Old April 13th, 2016, 06:40 PM   #1765
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It looks like modern interpretation of Medici Palace to me.

Please don't compare these two, since they are light years away, the closest I ever saw German art to look similar to Italian was when they put a copy of Michelangelo's David in some German city and yes his hair was painted yellow, and yes his other hair just above his private part was also painted in yellow. I think one can easily find photos of that 'art' on google.
By the way, the palace seems to be very high quality.

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Old April 13th, 2016, 09:12 PM   #1766
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Let us rejoice, the Einheitsdenkmal (Memorial of Unity) won't be build!

The Bundestag finally dropped the Einheitsdenkmal due to ever rising costs and problems. This ugly mess won't be built in front of the City Palace:



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Old April 13th, 2016, 10:04 PM   #1767
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Let us rejoice, the Einheitsdenkmal (Memorial of Unity) won't be build!

The Bundestag finally dropped the Einheitsdenkmal due to ever rising costs and problems. This ugly mess won't be built in front of the City Palace:




It was a terrible design, truly terrible. Rebuild the Kaiser monument yes, but NOT this modern rubbish.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 11:39 PM   #1768
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Not only is it ugly and out of place, but the render showing people climbing those steep inclinations is hilarious.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #1769
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It is not the Medici Palace by any streycj of the imagination, but it sure is a great design as far as minimalism is concerned.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 04:58 AM   #1770
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OMG Thank God they're not building that Memorial of Unity! Horrible! Now let's support the rebuilding of the Kaiser Wilhelm memorial.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 05:05 AM   #1771
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Thanks for the news Tiaren! And for the information about the Shinkelplatz you provided earlier which I am just now seeing. Thanks!
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Old April 18th, 2016, 01:50 PM   #1772
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The spaces between the blocks in the inner facades of Stella somewhat distort the general impression from a new palace:


I hope the spaces between the sandstone blocks in the baroque facades will be hidden (at least, they are not seen at the restored part of the facade exposed near the Berlin Cathedral):


Photos by Spreetunnel (http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org)
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Old April 18th, 2016, 06:51 PM   #1773
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No Unity Memorial

It's great news to hear that the "Unity Memorial" has been canceled. That thing looked like a giant bomb fragment!

Another option would be to rebuild the arcade surrounding the Kaiser Wilhelm memorial statue and substitute a memorial to German unity using classical sculpture that would go with the restored palace facade. Trying to force modernistic works to coexist with classical ones is a disservice to both.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #1774
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The spaces between the blocks in the inner facades of Stella somewhat distort the general impression from a new palace.
I hope the spaces between the sandstone blocks in the baroque facades will be hidden (at least, they are not seen at the restored part of the facade exposed near the Berlin Cathedral):
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The baroque parts will of course be grouted, you don't need to worry about that. The modern parts will retain these ugly gaps though. It seems to be a preferred method to give structure to an otherwise plain, straight surface of modernist design. :/
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Old April 20th, 2016, 01:40 AM   #1775
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Thanks god, the Einheits Denkmal got scrapped.

Further more, Germany already has a Memorial of Reunification! It's this one:


It was raised on October 3rd 1990, and is officially a memorial.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 02:42 PM   #1776
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Now that ill-advised rocking sculpture has been aborted I really hope there is a movement to restore the Kaiser Wilhelm Monument in some form on its original site instead. The pre-war photos of the Schloss façade with the memorial's colonnades before it show what a striking group monument and palace made and could make again some day. So tragic that it was destroyed (further GDR vandalism) when it survived the war virtually unscathed.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 03:04 PM   #1777
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It would be great to see the Kaiser Wilhelm monument restored but perhaps an empty space in place of the emperor. London's Trafalgar square has 'the fourth plinth' - a place where contemporary artists compete to display their work. that might look good. as for the side of the stadtschloss overlooking the river, what about covering it in greenery? I think that side of the original palace had a fair amount of ivy on it. a vertical garden would be a nod to the past but thoroughly modern and much more interesting than the current designs.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 05:44 PM   #1778
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Kaiser Wilhelm Denkmal site

A good example of restoring prewar monuments is the Kaiser Wilhelm Denkmal at Koblenz. In recent years, the large equestrian statue of the emperor has been restored at the Deutsches Eck. Why not in Berlin? That's a good questions. (I would add a photo, but it doesn't seem to want to let me do that.)
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Old April 24th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #1779
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Here is the statue in question at Koblenz.

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Old April 24th, 2016, 02:31 AM   #1780
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That is spectacular. Maybe a full restoration of the k. Wilhelm monument would work in front of the Berlin stadtschloss. though surely many people who would think it inappropriate, which would be a shame as ultimately it should be a symbol of unity...?
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