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Old July 21st, 2016, 10:48 AM   #1901
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Some more detail shots of the stone masonry by courtesy of Spreetunnel of Stadtbild Deutschland Forum:





They put incredible care and attention to detail into every little ornament.



These cartouches have been planned and worked on for years. They are about 7 metres tall, weigh as much as 100 tonnes and cost as much as a small family home.
There are half a dozen of these big ones on the outer- and court facades of the Stadtschloss and several smaller ones. Each one is completely different as well as modelled and carved by hand.









Here some work in progress images of how the life-sized clay and gypsum Lustgarten cartouche was put together:













Images are taken from this website:
http://www.steinrestaurierung-hoferi...osanderportal/

The work isn't nearly done after this though. In the two last steps this gypsum model will be carved in stone and then finally put together again on the facades of the palace.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 06:31 PM   #1902
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The most amazing architecture project of the 21st century so far. Just incredible.

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Old July 21st, 2016, 08:12 PM   #1903
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Does anybody know how much is the budget for this project?


Astonishing beautiful!
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Old July 21st, 2016, 09:15 PM   #1904
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Does anybody know how much is the budget for this project?


Astonishing beautiful!
600 million € altogether, 120 million € for the facades and the dome.
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 10:37 PM   #1905
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BERLIN | City Palace Reconstruction (Stadtschloss) - "Humboldt-Forum" | U/C

Does anyone know whether the Schlüterhof facades will have the balconies or will they be like in the first picture? Looks much better without them.





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Old July 22nd, 2016, 10:52 PM   #1906
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From when is that first picture? O: I never saw this before. Not only the balconies are different but also the arcades. They consist of colossal columns just like the risalits. That's very interesting...

This version will be build though:





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Old July 22nd, 2016, 11:20 PM   #1907
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Your right. I gather from the german text (google translate tarzan wording), that this refers to an early version that was portrayed in this engraving. Nice version anyway.



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Thanks for clarifying and the renders Tiaren.
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 11:56 PM   #1908
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It turns out this image:



Is a very well done photomontage by architecture researcher Goerd Peschken who wanted to illustrate how the Schlüterhof was once intended to look, but was never build this way.

You really confused me with that image, haha! XD
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Old July 26th, 2016, 09:42 PM   #1909
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Schlüterhof

I continue to be amazed that they went ahead with restoration of three walls of the Schlüterhof rather than just build a modern structure on all four sides of that interior courtyard. It looks like they could have saved a lot of money that way. This is particularly true when most of the rest of the interior is modern architecture that has nothing to do with the original interior of the building.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #1910
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I'm amazed, too. And in marveling at the miraculous reconstruction of the old facades, I can't but hope that their beauty will inspire this - and future - generations to resurrect the splendor of the original palace in its entirety. Those responsible for the current construction are already showing us that it can be done.
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Oldie but Goldie:



Brings you right in the mood for the end of 2017, when the facades should be finished.
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Sorry if it has been answered many times but, does anybody know why they didn't decide to rebuild all the facades?
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Sorry if it has been answered many times but, does anybody know why they didn't decide to rebuild all the facades?
One of the façades (facing the river, i.e., the back of the palace) was just a clumsy result of many addition over couple centuries, with no cohesion or significance at all. So they decided to give it a modern, forward-looking design instead of the pastiche of the other 3.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 03:47 AM   #1914
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Unfortunately that modern facade tuns out to be on the boring and uninspired side of modernism.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 07:57 AM   #1915
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At least, if one day they wanted to change it, that modern facade would turn out to be the ideal architectural playground!
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Old August 1st, 2016, 08:49 AM   #1916
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One of the façades (facing the river, i.e., the back of the palace) was just a clumsy result of many addition over couple centuries, with no cohesion or significance at all. So they decided to give it a modern, forward-looking design instead of the pastiche of the other 3.
First of all, you, as a hater of anything old and historic, should be the very last one answering questions of interested people in here. That's like asking Le Corbusier about quaint timberframe houses.
Secondly, the renaissance facade of the City Palace was neither clumsy nor was it of no significance. It was just highly detailed and irregular, clearly documenting the history of the palace, which is in no way a negative thing. Parts of the buildings facing the Spree were even of a very big significance, like the late gothic Erasmus Chapel, which had one of the most beautiful schlingrippen vaults of that time:



The real reason for the Spree facade not being reconstructed were people exactly like yourself. They would have sabotaged the whole reconstruction project if they wouldn't have gotten the chance to shoehorn at least one modern facade onto the building. Von Boddien, the initiator of the whole reconstruction project, had to fight for decades against prejudice and even defamation. One modern facade was simply a concession to those stubborn modernists he had to make for the reconstruction of the City Palace to come true.
The renaissance facade was the one scrapped purely because it was the only facade without any counterpart. Beyond the river Spree was nothing of the old city left. The three baroque facades would however stand all in dialogue with surrounding preserved buildings. It was one of Von Boddiens main arguments that the City Palace was sorely needed to complete the old city structures and their dialogue with each other. The baroque facades were just for this reason more important than the renaissance facade.
Lastly, the baroque facades are not just pastiche. They are an exact scientifically and artistically substantiated replica after the old plans and/or thousands of drawings, paintings, photographs and preserved original parts. Painstakingly collected and assembled for many years. Just like in baroque times every brick is layn by hand and every ornament is either finished or completely carved by hand by an artist, using the same materials. Even from the exact same stone quarries of 300 years ago.



You, using the word "pastiche", is clearly a denigration.

Wikipedia about pastiche in architecture:
"pastiche" is used to describe developments as imitations of the building styles created by major architects: the implication is that the work is unoriginal and of little merit...Alain de Botton describes pastiche as "an unconvincing reproduction of the styles of the past."

A faithful reconstruction of a specific piece of architecture/piece of art is however not pastiche.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 05:13 PM   #1917
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That's like asking Le Corbusier about quaint timberframe houses.
Actually he built quite a few quaint houses and even a cabin
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Well, even most hardcore modernists are classical-/traditional-lovers at heart. Most of them live/d in classical style buildings, anyway.


Great post Tiaren, thank you!

Though in general, Suburbanist is just trolling pretty much wherever he goes, so he can largely be ignored.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 01:15 PM   #1919
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I understand the surprise and deception of those who discover the project as "palace rebuilding". The modernist façade can of course be criticized.
But remember :
- There is no "purity" to defend, the former Spree façades were far différent from the other 3 baroque façades
- The Spree façade responds to the modernist monumental urbanism beyond the river, as the People Palace did before
For me, it is a way not to denied a whole page of history of this site, and to assume the present building as a project of our time.
Personnaly, i was seduced by the project ton reverse the Schuterhof as an open courtyard facing the Spree...
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