Intergration of ROC and DRC, Kinshasa and Brazzaville

[preme3000]

There are no two capital cities in the world so close in terms of distance and culture.

Could it be possible one day to merge the two capitals and the countries together?

[BUTEMBO21]

Its one of me dreams, they should be merged. Like New York and New Jersey. Not just the Capitals. but the countries.

And i don't care who objects to that.

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Its one of me dreams, they should be merged. Like New York and New Jersey. Not just the Capitals. but the countries.

And i don't care who objects to that.

Hi Bute, how do you suggest that will happen?

The best option might the EU model of intergration, where Kinshasa gets so powerful that Brazza will want to join democratically. There has to be incentives, the carrot or the stick. The carrot tastes better than the stick, so to speak.

The only other option as far as I can see is military and force which is more costly than the first option and will meet much more resitance. This is the stick.

OK, just thought a third option would be to get people from both cities to vote democratically, it could be complex to organise

[musiccity]

Congo-Brazza has oil, DRC has natural resources and minerals, match made in heaven.


But what about little Cabinda?

[xJamaax]

The two countries need to be reunified!There is little to no difference especially to the outsiders.

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by xJamaax

The two countries need to be reunified!There is little to no difference especially to the outsiders.

+1

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by musiccity

Congo-Brazza has oil, DRC has natural resources and minerals, match made in heaven.

We also have Oil. But reunification is not about resources. Its about reuniting people that were forced to live apart. Now its time to put back the family together.

DRC-Congo Brazza = 2 nations, 1 people.

But what about little Cabinda?

Kabinda = Angola

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by preme3000

Hi Bute, how do you suggest that will happen?

The best option might the EU model of intergration, where Kinshasa gets so powerful that Brazza will want to join democratically. There has to be incentives, the carrot or the stick. The carrot tastes better than the stick, so to speak.

The only other option as far as I can see is military and force which is more costly than the first option and will meet much more resitance. This is the stick.

OK, just thought a third option would be to get people from both cities to vote democratically, it could be complex to organise

Whassup.

I would like a peaceful reunification , but we have to do our homework by being serious. To seriously rebuild the economy. Its the only way they can be a peaceful way.

The other Option is force. But details on plans to make that happen are classified from this public.

[LADEN]

Why Should ROC merge if they doing better by themselves.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by LADEN

Why Should ROC merge if they doing better by themselves.

They aren't . They are same as us.

[musiccity]

Shouldnt Cabinda be absorbed into Congo? Are Cabindans more associated with Angolans or Congolese?

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by musiccity

Shouldnt Cabinda be absorbed into Congo? Are Cabindans more associated with Angolans or Congolese?

Cabindans are from Bakongo speaking people. Bakongo speaking people are in North-West mainland Angola, Western DRC and all South Congo-Brazza, as well as Southern Gabon.

Angola became a collony of Portugal in 1600s, and that included Cabinda. DRC and C-Brazza Colonies started in 1885. Therefore Cabinda is by no means independent DRC's.

[musiccity]

Ah ok,

If the two Congo's merge, Cabinda will be a complete enclave surrounded by Congo.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by musiccity

Ah ok,

If the two Congo's merge, Cabinda will be a complete enclave surrounded by Congo.

Yes .

[LADEN]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

They aren't . They are same as us.

Oh I thought I read somewhere the the country had the same HDI as Gabon but I checked now and it's very low. With all the developments in Point Noire due to the oil I thought it would have been much better throughout the country. Well with that I wouldn't see much of an issue with the joining, as a big coast is really needed for the DRC and the congos are like the same people and country.

But I hope ROC wouldn't be lost in the current mess of the DRC. It could be easier to get ahead as separate countries then merge as well. I also think a merge for Rwanda and Burundi could be possible but there wouldn't be much sense for a merge as it would just mean more hungry mouths to feed and more problems in hand.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by LADEN

Oh I thought I read somewhere the the country had the same HDI as Gabon but I checked now and it's very low. With all the developments in Point Noire due to the oil I thought it would have been much better throughout the country. Well with that I wouldn't see much of an issue with the joining, as a big coast is really needed for the DRC and the congos are like the same people and country.

But I hope ROC wouldn't be lost in the current mess of the DRC. It could be easier to get ahead as separate countries then merge as well.

Don't be carried away with HDI things. Reality on grounds are the same.
The reason why their HDI looks better than ours is because they calculate the GDP per Capital, then simply assume than the higher per capital is living better than the lower one. Which supposed to be the case. But in SS Africa? its not that much different.

If you look at Angola's GDP per Capital and compare it Nigeria's. Angola is double that of Nigeria, but living standards on the ground are same.


Thats just on paper. Ever been to Brazza, Point Noire and go to DRC cities Kin, Lubumbashi, Matadi. Brazza, Point Noire are basically a Kinshasa Extension. LOL.

They go to get treated in South Africa or Europe for complicated illnesses just like us.

Brazza imports half of it Food Supply from Kinshasa, they go shop in Kinshasa because their French store are super expensive etc...

I also think a merge for Rwanda and Burundi could be possible but there wouldn't be much sense for a merge as it would just mean more hungry mouths to feed and more problems in hand.

DRC has no much land, so much water and Rwanda and Burundi are so crowded. Rwandese and Burundese would be celebrating if they join DRC. I know that because i know those countries people. Some might not like it because they will loose the previleges they enjoy due being the ethnic which dominates everything in the country. But i guaranty you most will like to be merged.

[èđđeůx]

Africa's newest largest country.....And DRC would finally have a large coastline!

[MotoPamba]

I wanted to write an article on this a while back but here is my chance. I have friends from Congo Brazza and we actualy treat each other like we are from the same country. When you go into the home of a Congo Brazza citizen, you definitely feel at home. I can conclude that we are one people. Here is how the two Congos can be re-united (they used to be one people before).

1. REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. we need to build key industries that serves both Kin and Brazza. For so long, Brazzavile was powered and is still powered to a degree by Kinshansa electricity. This prevents the two countries from going to war due to the strategic industry. We need more of these, such as building a water system in brazzavile that would contra; sewage in Kin and Brazza. The two govts will never go to war if these key industries exists strategically.

2 FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. after extablising strategic regional industries that operates in both countries from one control, the next step would be to form a free trade agreement. A free trade agreement would increase the flow of goods between the tow countries and will make products and services cheaper for both countries due to the increase in competition. Citizens will start enjoying lower prices and companies revenues will increase due to access to larger market. Companies will therefore increase their production in order to meet new high levels of demand. The free trade agreement will help join the two countries into on big market zone therefore helping unite it.

3 CUSTOMS UNION. custom union will ensure that both countries will adopt the same custom rules and regulations. This will also mean that outside and neighbouring countries will be dealing with one set of custom codes when dealing with the the "Congos".

4 ECONOMIC UNION. economic union would simply mean both countries will adopt the same economic philosophy and economic policies. By this time, citizens of the two countries will already have been working back and forth between the countries. The whole "Congo" region will now have one economic philosophy for example; we can choose to have free market, command economy or a mixture of both (which I would recommend).

5 POLITICAL UNION. political union at this point will be a no brainer. form the Congo union and allow citizens to vote for MPs to the Congo assembly. Elect a president and make the other two presidents just head of their states until their terms finishes.


We can also use media to our advantage. launch a massive programming TV shows, films and other initiatives that encourages oneness.

Im tired of typing. But this would work if executed carefully and wisely.

[Angalisho]

LUNDI, 25 JUIN 2012 09:17




L'éminent historien de la République du Congo, disciple et ami de Cheik Anta Diop, a fait par de son ambition au cours de la conférence qu'il a animée à l'université de Kinshasa, le 22 juin, sur invitation du groupe de presse Le Potentiel. Pendant plus de cinq heures, Théophile Obenga a expliqué à l'assistance la motivation profonde de la publication de son dernier ouvrage intitulé L'État fédéral d'Afrique noire, la seule issue, publié à Paris chez l'Harmattan.

En prélude à l'avènement de cet État fédéral africain, il a soutenu la création d'une chaîne d'union panafricaine avec siège à Kinshasa dont le but principal sera d'examiner et de promouvoir le chronogramme de la mise en place de cet État qu'il évoque dans le livre.

Selon le programme, de 2012 à 2014, plusieurs activités pédagogiques intenses doivent être menées à travers tout le continent pour expliquer l'importance de cet État fédéral africain. De 2014 à 2020, il est prévu la rédaction des textes juridiques appropriés pour la mise en place de l'État fédéral ainsi que la préparation d'un référendum à l'échelle des États nations. « Si cela semble utopique aujourd'hui, ça servira de base de travail aux générations futures », a fait savoir le Pr Obenga.

L'État fédéral proprement dit devrait être proclamé entre 2020-2022 suivi d'une adhésion à l'ONU mais pas à la Cour pénale internationale. La grande industrialisation de l'État fédéral devrait se faire entre 2022-2030 et le programme nucléaire africain entre 2030-2060

Espoir et vision

« Il s'agit d'espoir, de vision que l'on peut qualifier d'utopie. Mais l'utopie quand elle prend corps et se concrétise devient nécessairement un événement d'une beauté historique inédite », a déclaré Théophile Obenga pour qui les êtres humains vivent d'utopie, d'imaginaire, d'illusions, d'espoir et d'espérance.

« Les peuples qui n'ont pas d'utopie n'ont pas d'avenir. Les peuples qui ne cultivent aucune utopie périssent dans la monotonie. Les peuples dont les élites ne portent pas de débat sur les grandes ambitions vivent presqu'en marge sinon en dehors de l'humanité », a-t-il déclaré.

L'historien déplore le fait que l'Afrique s'enfonce de plus en plus dans la misère alors qu'elle ne manque de rien. «Il s'agit d'un sous-développement durable, un sous-développement durablement chronique avec des dettes injustes additionnées à des recettes étatiques déjà maigres ».

Pour lui, le vocable même de développement est une ruse occidentale visant l'enfermement de l'Afrique dans le sous-développement. « Les pays qui se développent effectivement, en construisant chaque jour des hôpitaux, des écoles, des stades, etc., ne prononcent presque jamais le terme de développement mais ils le font », a-t-il argumenté.

Pour ce faire, le Pr Théophile Obenga soutient que l'Afrique ne pourra pas se développer totalement à l'échelle de l'État nation à cause de nombreux faits négatifs et cela malgré les aides et les coopérations. « L'État nation africain actuel ne peut pas et ne pourra pas arrêter le pompage de l'Afrique par l'occident », a-t-il indiqué, ajoutant que la cause profonde du sous-développement de l'Afrique noire c'est l'Occident.

« Si l'Afrique possède la maîtrise de ses ressources minières, de ses forêts, de ses hydrocarbures, de ses terres arables, de ses eaux maritimes, alors l'Occident s'affaiblit inévitablement », a-t-il assuré.

Créer une puissance politique africaine

Pour l'historien, la question de l'Afrique est celle du rapport des forces dans le monde contemporain. Ainsi, il estime que l'Afrique doit passer d'un pot de terre à un pot de fer car tant que l'autre ne respecte pas votre dignité vous êtes un port de terre. « L'État nation africain actuel doit changer d'échelle pour devenir plus fort. Il doit se fondre constitutionnellement en État fédéral africain », a martelé le professeur.

C'est pourquoi, a-t-il souligné, l'Afrique doit se concentrer sur la création d'une puissance politique africaine à l'échelle continentale. « Tout le reste trouvera, sans délais, des solutions convenables », se convainc-t-il.

Néanmoins, pense Théophile Obenga, il faut des États nations africains locomotives, des leaders. « La RDC est bien placée pour être leader de cette grande vision panafricaine qu'est l'État fédéral africain au niveau continental », a conclu l'historien.

Dani Ndungidi

Photo : Théophile Obenga pendant la conférence

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[Angalisho]

près plusieurs années de tergiversation, Brazzaville et Kinshasa semblent désormais prêts à mener à terme les études de faisabilité pour la construction d’un pont reliant les deux capitales.

Le pont sera constitué d’une route pour automobile et de rail pour le chemin de fer Kinshasa Ilébo. Le projet, plusieurs fois reporté, s’inscrit dans le cadre d’une politique d’intégration sous régionale. Plusieurs bailleurs de fonds à l’instar de la banque mondiale (BM) et de la banque africaine de développement (BAD) ont déjà annoncé leur avis favorable à la réalisation de ce projet. Pour la phase d’étude du projet, la BAD a financé les travaux pour environ 6 millions de dollars. Selon diverses estimations, le coût de construction de l’ouvrage se situerait entre 80 et 100 millions de dollars. Selon les projections, les deux Congo implanteront des ZES économiques spéciales sur les deux rives. Les deux Maluku constituent également des sites d’extension pour les capitales Kinshasa et Brazzaville ; ils demeurent donc un choix optimal pour le projet. Aussi, la réalisation du projet permettra de toucher à 3 piliers de cette démarche d’intégration sous-régionale. Premièrement, il renforcera la libre circulation des biens et des personnes entre les deux pays. Deuxièmement, il conduira à une réduction de délais d’attente lors de la traversée du fleuve, d’un pays à l’autre.

Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:40
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