Miami Sports

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by massp88

The Miami Heat are not the most hated team in the NBA and perhaps all of American sports.

LeBron showed that he is an egotistical a$$hole after last night. He couldn't simply make a press release like most would have.

The pressure is now on the Heat and as a fan, I am worried. LeBron quite during the playoffs. He has never won an NBA title or truly elevated his teams in the manner Kobe of Jordan has multiple times.

Just because I'm a Heat fan, I'm not going to dismiss last night's televised spectacle as anything less than very poor judgement. There's far classier ways to go about it, and even though I'm happy I certainly understand why it is playing so badly nationally.

I don't agree it makes him an "asshole" (he's been a pretty good guy on balance) but perhaps LeBron might want to rely less on his 'entourage' of 20-somethings and more on mature management types who see the bigger picture.

There IS pressure on the Heat, to be sure. If this all doesn't result in multiple titles and a dynastic team, then it will be judged a failure and mocked forever. But certainly the OPPORTUNITY to create a 'Team for the Ages' exists...and I don't fault Riley and the Heat for going after it.

[3tmk]

Originally Posted by Alien x

Really childish, nice to know that you are a mod. If Miami is an obscure franchise then ny is the pointless franchise with 25 years of ridicule.
You are right why would any one want to miss out on loud, obnoxious, foul mouth group of fans (and local sports writers)?

I wouldn't call you an idiot, but you're trying hard.

First of all, look when it was posted. It's called being a rager, I showed up on the miami forum to show you folks we're pissed off, it's part of the game, many try most lose one win, I'm throwing you guys a bone here.

Second, you will notice I changed the post, because I decided to put the original version in the nasf skybar and leave only the part about miami here. But I'm not going to ask a moron to learn new tricks, so I accept your apology.

Third of all, well nothing.



BTW don't feel bad about Cleveland. He already wasted 7 years there and brought them to the finals. He's already done enough for them.

[clean_polo]

Originally Posted by Westsidelife

Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, and CC Sabathia. Enough said.

You did see the part about MLB having no Salary Cap though right? I love all of these jealous Yankee haters that get mad because George Steinbrenner is ballin . Everybody likes to complain about how the Yankees always buy the best players, which is pure jealousy/hatred, because you know damn well if the person who was complaining about the Yankees favorite team was to buy all of the best players then it wouldn't be a big deal huh. Another thing is, you still have to win games, just because you buy all the best players doesn't mean you'll automatically win championships, but the Yankees proved that wrong last year with number 27. It will be interesting to see how the Heat fair with all of this.

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by 3tmk

BTW don't feel bad about Cleveland. He already wasted 7 years there and brought them to the finals. He's already done enough for them.

I don't think LeBron really "owed" them anything but I reserve the right to feel bad for the loyal fans in that town who have been waiting forever for a title from ANY of their teams. I can be happy for Miami but still empathize with that part of it.

Hey, we came close to seeing Wade go to Chicago and having none of this happen. I wouldn't have liked seeing opposing fans not recognizing how sad that would have been for Miami---this is no different.

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by clean_polo

Another thing is, you still have to win games, just because you buy all the best players doesn't mean you'll automatically win championships

I think that was proven once in the old Yankee Stadium (couldn't resist )

[clean_polo]

While it was kind've like a "look at me, look at me!" type of move by LeBron last night to have an hour special about his decision, he did say that all of the proceeds for the show were going to Boys and Girls Clubs of Cleveland, Miami, New York, and Chicago.

[clean_polo]

Originally Posted by spellbound

I think that was proven once in the old Yankee Stadium (couldn't resist )

...that just ruined my day. Lol, that was great for the Marlins though, I can't believe Josh Beckett and AJ Burnett were on that team. Which ironically is funny that Beckett pitches for the Red Sox and Burnett pitches for the Yankees now.

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by clean_polo

...that just ruined my day. Lol, that was great for the Marlins though, 2 words, Edgar Renteria.

Renteria was with the '97 team that beat the Indians in the World Series (God that city must hate Miami now!), but long gone by 2003.

Pudge and A.J....those guys were lights-out all during that '03 playoff run that ended with the title versus the Yanks.

(didn't mean to ruin your day...hey, the Yanks are on fire lately anyway)

[clean_polo]

Originally Posted by spellbound

Renteria was with the '97 team that beat the Indians in the World Series (God that city must hate Miami now!), but long gone by 2003.

Pudge and A.J....those guys were lights-out all during that '03 playoff run that ended with the title versus the Yanks.

(didn't mean to ruin your day...hey, the Yanks are on fire lately anyway)

Lol, yeah I realized that, thats why I went back and edited my post.

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by clean_polo

While it was kind've like a "look at me, look at me!" type of move by LeBron last night to have an hour special about his decision, he did say that all of the proceeds for the show were going to Boys and Girls Clubs of Cleveland, Miami, New York, and Chicago.

I agree somewhat. He took advantage of the situation and used it to promote himself while at the same time helped a lot of kids who need the help more than 99% of these bickering fans. And I'm from Ohio. We loved LBJ because he won for us, no more, no less. If he would have come to Cleveland and flopped we would have traded him and thought nothing of it, even if he was from Ohio.

I thought he was classy. He thanked all the teams involved and didn't say one bad thing about any of them, including Cleveland. He repeatedly said it wasn't about what was lacking in Cleveland but instead what would make him happy and help him to achieve his goals. He could have easily said hey I'm tired of carrying the load for 7 years, the couldn't get me a Pippen so I left to play with my boy Wade.

Lebron has made that city more money than he was ever paid. Unless you can show me where people supported him when he was a loser, then I think he doesn't owe Cleveland a thing.

They are trying to make it seem like they were with Lebron when he was a noboby and then he divorced them for some new hot young chick. But the truth is they were just the groupie that got to him first. He took them on a great ride and spent plenty money on them and then he realized he didn't want to marry them so he's on to a newer, younger, hotter looking one.

[clean_polo]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

I agree somewhat. He took advantage of the situation and used it to promote himself while at the same time helped a lot of kids who need the help more than 99% of these bickering fans. And I'm from Ohio. We loved LBJ because he won for us, no more, no less. If he would have come to Cleveland and flopped we would have traded him and thought nothing of it, even if he was from Ohio.

I thought he was classy. He thanked all the teams involved and didn't say one bad thing about any of them, including Cleveland. He repeatedly said it wasn't about what was lacking in Cleveland but instead what would make him happy and help him to achieve his goals. He could have easily said hey I'm tired of carrying the load for 7 years, the couldn't get me a Pippen so I left to play with my boy Wade.

Lebron has made that city more money than he was ever paid. Unless you can show me where people supported him when he was a loser, then I think he doesn't owe Cleveland a thing.

They are trying to make it seem like they were with Lebron when he was a noboby and then he divorced them for some new hot young chick. But the truth is they were just the groupie that got to him first. He took them on a great ride and spent plenty money on them and then he realized he didn't want to marry them so he's on to a newer, younger, hotter looking one.

Aka Miami , seriously though, good points, I know what you are saying. I think it is very unclassy for the Cleveland fans to be burning James' jerseys, they are upset and I understand but the man had to do what was best for him. All I know is that next year when the Heat have to travel to Cleveland, they better bring extra security, that game is going to be NUTS.

[spellbound]

Yeah, nobody should be burning jerseys or anything like that. That's just taking things too far. I also think the Cavs owner went WAAAY over the line with his comments. It's fine (and understandable) for fans to say those things but he really should be more responsible in the position he's in.

For the rational Cleveland fans who are simply upset and/or angry, I totally sympathize. What many forget is that Miami also had a very traumatic sports moment many years ago. In 1974, the new (and short-lived) World Football League signed away Larry Csonka, Paul Warfield, and Jim Kiick from a Dolphins team that had just won their second consecutive Super Bowl. Csonka and Warfield were future Hall of Famers, and Kiick was an extremely valuable role player. They were all local heroes and the city was devastated by the news.

I hope the fans of Cleveland have their moment in the sun, even as I celebrate what the Heat have accomplished. I know what losing players you love feels like.

[nomarandlee]

Originally Posted by clean_polo

Everybody always says the Yankees buy championships, but they don't realize that Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, and Jorge Posada all came from their farm teams. Also, the MLB doesn't have a salary cap so if you have the money, why not spend it? I don't think it's "selfless" and "gutless" for Bosh and Lebron to want to join Wade in Miami to win some rings, sounds like a great strategy to me.

You think the Yankees win last year if they aren't to blow out other offers from other teams for Sabathia, Texaria, and A-Rod? Denial.

The Yanks can overpay a bit at each position to get or keep around who they want. There has only been one free agent over the last twenty years that I can remember the Yanks not being able to keep and that was Pettitte's stint with Houston.

I don't blame the Yanks for spending their money but I do resent fans of their trying to play off as their championships aren't bought to an extant well above most other championships teams in professional sports.

It is "gutless" for them to join forces because they each want to be a leader presumably. Joning a superpower is playing it safe and if you have aspirations to among the best it matters who you led, how you did it, and how much credit you deserve. Joining forces to make up 3/5 of the US starting Olympic team isn't really challenging oneself or wanting to be a leader.

The rejection of leading greatness as opposed to merely signign up to participating in it is not to be praised by basketball fans or historians.

[QuantumX]

I think as moderators though, we should show better form than this.

Originally Posted by 3tmk

I wouldn't call you an idiot, but you're trying hard.

First of all, look when it was posted. It's called being a rager, I showed up on the miami forum to show you folks we're pissed off, it's part of the game, many try most lose one win, I'm throwing you guys a bone here.

Second, you will notice I changed the post, because I decided to put the original version in the nasf skybar and leave only the part about miami here. But I'm not going to ask a moron to learn new tricks, so I accept your apology.

Third of all, well nothing.



BTW don't feel bad about Cleveland. He already wasted 7 years there and brought them to the finals. He's already done enough for them.

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by nomarandlee

It is "gutless" for them to join forces because they each want to be a leader presumably. Joning a superpower is playing it safe and if you have aspirations to among the best it matters who you led, how you did it, and how much credit you deserve. Joining forces to make up 3/5 of the US starting Olympic team isn't really challenging oneself or wanting to be a leader.

At the end of the day the Lakers have a monster squad and so do the Celtics. Heck without a big man they may not be able to beat the Magic. LBJ has never had any All-star robin style help. The fact is that even with Wade and Bosh the Lakers are probably still the better team. The guy is probably the best but he's not superman. Switch him with Kobe on the Lakers and LBJ would easily take the Lakers to the promise land also. It's not his fault he got drafted to crappy Cleveland. He took that team to places they've never been before. If Cleveland somehow lucked up and also got Wade early in his career before he was know, LBJ and Wade would have dominated and no one would have been the wiser. Wade would have been LBJ's Pippen. But now that he has a choice you're telling me he shouldn't play with Wade because Wade is to good. I'm sorry I didn't know that the two of them were out winning championships. Oh wait no that's been the Lakers and the Celtics the last couple of years.

It funny how people say the LBJ should beat the best to be the best and then say he's joining forces with the best. It keeps making me ask myself did LBJ join the Lakers?????

Scottie Pippen was an 8 time NBA All-defensive team player, 3 time All-NBA first team (without Jordan), 7 time NBA All Star, NBA All-Star game MVP and named one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. He's the only person to win an NBA championship and a gold medal in the same year.

MJ would not be who he was without Pippen. And Pippen is just as good (and arguable better) than Wade.


The Lakers are/were a super power, the Cetics are/were a super power, the Bulls definitely were a super power. They just had Owners that were able to bring the super power to them. LBJ realized Cleveand wasn't going to be able to do it so he left to Pat Riley who he thinks can.

[nomarandlee]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

At the end of the day the Lakers have a monster squad and so do the Celtics..

I admit its a fine line between what is a strong team and what is not a competitive team. I wouldn't say that Pau is a top ten NBA player. I would suggest that Wade, James, and perhaps even Bosh all are. If I am not wrong those three made up 3/5ths of the starting U.S. Olympic line-up.

The Celts dynamic is true but they aren't in the prime of the carrers and were starting on the downside at the very least when they joined. None of the Celts three were considered the top five in the league anymore either while Wade and James largely are.

Heck without a big man they may not be able to beat the Magic. LBJ has never had any All-star robin style help.

Sure they can. Teams have won against great centers before. True that LBJ has never had a Robin, now he has two fellow Batmans. It would be similar if Jordan joined up with say Barkley and Magic in 1990.

The fact is that even with Wade and Bosh the Lakers are probably still the better team

Unless Kobe multiplies himself I don't see how one comes to this conclusion.

The guy is probably the best but he's not superman. Switch him with Kobe on the Lakers and LBJ would easily take the Lakers to the promise land also. It's not his fault he got drafted to crappy Cleveland. He took that team to places they've never been before.

Not saying he has to stay in Cleveland. Go to NYC where you are not teaming up with two of the other best free agents and 2 out of starting 5 of US Olympic team. Even Chicago still would have been without a doubt "his team".

It funny how people say the LBJ should beat the best to be the best and then say he's joining forces with the best. It keeps making me ask myself did LBJ join the Lakers?????

So would it be even better if say Chris Paul and Dwight Howard come along for the ride? That it would be good for the NBA or his legacy if they did?

Scottie Pippen was an 8 time NBA All-defensive team player, 3 time All-NBA first team (without Jordan), 7 time NBA All Star, NBA All-Star game MVP and named one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. He's the only person to win an NBA championship and a gold medal in the same year.
MJ would not be who he was without Pippen. And Pippen is just as good (and arguable better) than Wade.

Pippen was never considered one of the top ten players in the league at a given time. Wade, James, and arguably Bosh are. All three were the second leading scorers at their position the year before, Jordan never teamed up with players with such disparity. One superstar and one start is acknowledged as what is needed these days. Two superstars and one superstar/star will be seen by critics as overkill and the "easy way" to championships.

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by nomarandlee

Not saying he has to stay in Cleveland. Go to NYC where you are not teaming up with two of the other best free agents and 2 out of starting 5 of US Olympic team. Even Chicago still would have been without a doubt "his team".

This shows the ridiculous of most people's argument. EVERY ESPN analyst has said if he went to Chicago then Chicago would have been a BETTER team. But no one would have had a problem with him going to Chicago.

So it seems that people are not really upset that he went to a super team (as Chicago would have be a super team also) and are more upset that he wont be the MAN on a super team.

It seems that the fans are upset that he wont be the man. He obviously know this and is able to put his ego aside to win championships.

The fans want to believe in a great player like Jordan, Magic or Bird. Lebron is able to see through the BS and would simply rather have multiple championships.

20 years from now we'll be arguing that Lebron's 6 championships don't mean as much as Jordan's because he had Wade and I'll argue Pippen was better than Wade and what about Grant and Rodman...blah..blah...blah.

I'm sure Lebron would rather have that instead off arguing that Lebron is just as good as Jordan even though he never won a Championship like Barkley, Malone, etc.

Barkley was on TV arguing that Lebron should have stuck it out and only switch to try and win a Championship until the end of his career if Lebron failed like Barkley did after failling with the Suns and then teaming up with Olajuwon and Drexler when they were all over the hill. Yeah that sounds like real great advice. I guarantee you that Lebron will end up better than Barkely in ever facet (money, legacy, etc.).

It's OK to team up as a washed up has been but not while you're in your prime? And all the while teams like the Lakers keep assembling these super teams and taking all the glory????

Have you even looked at what teams have won the championships over the years. Bull win it 6 out 8 years, Celtics win it 10 out of 11 years, Lakers have won it 3 in a row twice, San Antonio won it 3 times in 5 years. The NBA has never been about evenly spreading out the talent.

Is two super stars, an All star and a bunch of nobodies that much more of a super team than one super star, two ALL stars and solid proven role players??

[TheKorean]

Its pretty BS that 3 big time players play for a joke of an organization. Why Miami Heat is a joke? They fucking retired a number for Dan Marino. MARINO!

What a joke.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by spellbound

This is what we will have to get used to. Like the Yankees, the Heat will now be loved by their own fans and pretty much hated otherwise. That's just how it goes.

Yep...and in recent history when the Detroit Red Wings dominated, a great number of people hated them.

This seems like a new paradigm, and it is happening more and more in America.

Losers, as long as they are able to band together with other losers, seemed tasked to tear down winners.

Those that strive for excellence and accomplish it, should inspire others to achieve as well.

It used to be that excellence, accomplishment, and achievement were attributes that the majority of Americans championed.

[clean_polo]

I figured I'd stir things up a little bit more and tell everyone I was just reading the ESPN ticker at the bottom while watching Wade, James, and Bosh talking at the AAA. The ticker said Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers is scheduled to meet with the Miami Heat on Saturday.