what do you think about the "cheese consumer revolt"?

yerushalmi · June 16th, 2011, 02:12 PM

the dairy revolt or the cottage cheese movement -
do you think this time the consumer outrage over price hikes will have some impact? or it will fade into facebook
and we will continue to pay 200% more on everything?
globes investigation showed we even pay more on locally produced products than other countries where they are imported.
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Kappa21 · June 17th, 2011, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerushalmi

the dairy revolt or the cottage cheese movement -
do you think this time the consumer outrage over price hikes will have some impact? or it will fade into facebook
and we will continue to pay 200% more on everything?
globes investigation showed we even pay more on locally produced products than other countries where they are imported.
.

It has more to do with the Israeli inflation and the way consumer prices are going......its insane........globally we pay more for everything. Life is scarce now-a-days. Government restrictions both on goods and on letting the free market go up and down has harmed us........

I dont see why people should have to suffer to live..... it will make an unstable economy for years to come. I dont believe in money anymore.

Gzdvtz · June 17th, 2011, 08:38 AM

>Life is scarce now-a-days

ROLF

By the way, how expensive are cheeses in Israel? I've noticed all sorts of cream cheeses are popular there but I never bothered looking at prices.

yerushalmi · June 17th, 2011, 01:51 PM

the cottage cheese was until two years ago under regulated price and since it went from 5 nis to over 7.5 nis for 250 grams = 2.20$.
a litre of milk is 1.5-2$.

fx8 · June 17th, 2011, 02:40 PM

I'm not that optimistic, based on past experiences, but who knows...
Until then, no cottage cheese for me

NorthPole · June 17th, 2011, 02:44 PM

Israeli cows went on strike or something?

Do you really have regulatory board for food prices in Israel? If so, who sets the prices and who pays the production costs if they are higher than wholesale food prices?

***Urban Legend*** · June 17th, 2011, 02:57 PM

I hope this will succeed and people will understand that the power is in our hands! And we can do the same about the gas, crazy taxes, stupid government and many many more things. It's not only to boycot this or other product. It's to get out to the street and protest!

Gzdvtz · June 17th, 2011, 03:44 PM

Oooh, this could be the autumn of the Israeli revolution

yerushalmi · June 17th, 2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthPole

Israeli cows went on strike or something?

?

no they are still by far the leaders in milk production.
but our wallets are also getting milked just as much.

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Do you really have regulatory board for food prices in Israel? If so, who sets the prices and who pays the production costs if they are higher than wholesale food prices?

yes. a handful of products that are regarded staple foods and production materials are regulated by the trade and agriculture ministries with the producers. Also building materials. The cottage cheese was taken out a few years ago. prices of basic milk, eggs, salt, butter, basic breads, chala bread, cream, basic hard cheese are regulated but the prices are still higher than eu prices. this week a survey showed 92% in favour of more regulation on food.

yerushalmi · June 17th, 2011, 06:37 PM

just to give you a comparison:

cottage cheese 250g uk = 65p = 3.5 ₪
cottage cheese 250g usa = 1.3$ = 4.5 ₪
cottage cheese 250g israel = 7.45 ₪

Gzdvtz · June 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM

Someone in Israel told me he went to France with friends, they bought food for a week for five people and cost them ~300€, he said buying the same in Israel would have cost around 1,000€ it seems he wasn't exaggerating.

Kappa21 · June 17th, 2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

>Life is scarce now-a-days

ROLF

As an Idiom you agent of the enemy

Kappa21 · June 17th, 2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

Someone in Israel tell me he went to France with friends, they bought food for a week for five people and cost them ~300€, he said buying the same in Israel would have cost around 1,000€ it seems he wasn't exaggerating.

Israelis are being ripped off because the big chain groceries are working together with the manufacturer to raise the price.

This has always been the case. There is no such thing in Israel as to bargain. You always get ripped off in Israel. Cars cost more. Gas cost more. Batteries cost more...........

yerushalmi · June 17th, 2011, 08:12 PM

it also has a lot to do with the taxation.
cars are a good example - a new toyota yaris will cost $14,000 in the usa, here it costs $29,000 (100,000 ₪)
- I kid you not.
and its considered a cheaper category car. toyota corolla - $16,000 in the usa, $35,000 here (120,000 ₪)
so for what we pay for a corolla you could buy a lexus.

Gzdvtz · June 17th, 2011, 08:47 PM

The worst thing about cars is that for example a VW that costs, say, 30,000€ in Europe costs 30,000$ in the US

NorthPole · June 17th, 2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by yerushalmi

just to give you a comparison:

cottage cheese 250g uk = 65p = 3.5 ₪
cottage cheese 250g usa = 1.3$ = 4.5 ₪
cottage cheese 250g israel = 7.45 ₪

cottage cheese 250g pl = 1$ = 3.5 ₪ (internet) -1.3$ = 4.5 ₪ (medium sized shop in a big city), but when you compare GDP/capita...

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Originally Posted by yerushalmi

[...]
yes. a handful of products that are regarded staple foods and production materials are regulated by the trade and agriculture ministries with the producers. Also building materials. The cottage cheese was taken out a few years ago. prices of basic milk, eggs, salt, butter, basic breads, chala bread, cream, basic hard cheese are regulated but the prices are still higher than eu prices. this week a survey showed 92% in favour of more regulation on food.

I thought only kibutz are communist (and more like archaic kolchoz)

What about opening the market and lowering duty and taxes for food? Israel doesn't need to be a second Japan when it comes to the policy on food

BTW, "chala bread"? We still use name "chalka" for a braid-shaped sweet bread

חבר1.0 · June 17th, 2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

Someone in Israel told me he went to France with friends, they bought food for a week for five people and cost them ~300€, he said buying the same in Israel would have cost around 1,000€ it seems he wasn't exaggerating.

I have done that too.

I go to Europe at least once a year, usually to Paris. And I buy ALL of my clothes there. I don't buy any clothes in Israel. Basically, because buying GOOD clothes in Israel is usually very expensive (if good clothes can even be found that you like).

I have friends who go to the USA for about 3-4 weeks a year. And they buy EVERYTHING there. Even in spite of the airfare, costs of excess baggage, and the hotels and the restaurants, they still manage to save money.

Gzdvtz · June 17th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Ha! I've been buying my clothes and shoes over the past years over the internet mainly from American sites, even with the shipping charges and sometimes tax paid on them it's A LOT cheaper than here.

I don't wanna even start about electronics, I've bought cameras for friends from amazon that again with shipping and taxes were considerably less than what local shops sell them for.

yerushalmi · June 18th, 2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthPole

I thought only kibutz are communist (and more like archaic kolchoz)

A lot have voted to be privatized meaning hybrid salary systems where you can earn "outside" salaries but a certain percentage goes into running the kibbutz central facilities, or the kibbutz started paying individual salaries based on jobs. The socialist ideals were always popular here and theres a growing anti-privatization sentiment and support for more regulation because we are a small market. things like water, electricity, food, stock markets, public transport, health, pensions have to be regulated. the farcical private sector tel aviv light rail was also nationalized this year. and worker unions are making a comeback.

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What about opening the market and lowering duty and taxes for food? Israel doesn't need to be a second Japan when it comes to the policy on food

Apart from milk products the market is open. part of the problem is two giant supermarket chains that are two thirds of the market and go along with the food companies. brands like muller and yoplait are produced here, theres no point in importing milk products with short shelf life. the prices of the basic products have to be regulated and the more expensive can be opened to import.

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Originally Posted by NorthPole

BTW, "chala bread"? We still use name "chalka" for a braid-shaped sweet bread

yes the traditional giant braid loaf which we need for a shabbat kiddush for blessing over the bread so its also considered a staple food.

yerushalmi · June 18th, 2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by חבר1.0

I have done that too.

I go to Europe at least once a year, usually to Paris. And I buy ALL of my clothes there. I don't buy any clothes in Israel. Basically, because buying GOOD clothes in Israel is usually very expensive (if good clothes can even be found that you like).

I know its so awful right? such a burden. I have to fly to russia to get cheaper caviar.

June 16th, 2011, 02:12 PM	#1
yerushalmi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 2	what do you think about the "cheese consumer revolt"? the dairy revolt or the cottage cheese movement - do you think this time the consumer outrage over price hikes will have some impact? or it will fade into facebook and we will continue to pay 200% more on everything? globes investigation showed we even pay more on locally produced products than other countries where they are imported. . Last edited by yerushalmi; June 16th, 2011 at 02:20 PM.

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Gzdvtz Whatevah Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ☭υρώπη Posts: 4,663	>Life is scarce now-a-days ROLF By the way, how expensive are cheeses in Israel? I've noticed all sorts of cream cheeses are popular there but I never bothered looking at prices. __________________ You can put a bullet through my head, but you can’t kill the word I said. Don’t pray in my school and I won’t think in your temple. Last edited by Gzdvtz; June 17th, 2011 at 12:37 PM.

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yerushalmi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 2	the cottage cheese was until two years ago under regulated price and since it went from 5 nis to over 7.5 nis for 250 grams = 2.20$. a litre of milk is 1.5-2$. Last edited by yerushalmi; June 17th, 2011 at 02:02 PM.

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fx8 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 156 Likes (Received): 0	I'm not that optimistic, based on past experiences, but who knows... Until then, no cottage cheese for me

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Gzdvtz Whatevah Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ☭υρώπη Posts: 4,663	Oooh, this could be the autumn of the Israeli revolution __________________ You can put a bullet through my head, but you can’t kill the word I said. Don’t pray in my school and I won’t think in your temple.

June 17th, 2011, 06:37 PM	#10
yerushalmi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 2	just to give you a comparison: cottage cheese 250g uk = 65p = 3.5 ₪ cottage cheese 250g usa = 1.3$ = 4.5 ₪ cottage cheese 250g israel = 7.45 ₪ Last edited by yerushalmi; June 17th, 2011 at 06:43 PM.

June 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM	#11
Gzdvtz Whatevah Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ☭υρώπη Posts: 4,663	Someone in Israel told me he went to France with friends, they bought food for a week for five people and cost them ~300€, he said buying the same in Israel would have cost around 1,000€ it seems he wasn't exaggerating. __________________ You can put a bullet through my head, but you can’t kill the word I said. Don’t pray in my school and I won’t think in your temple. Last edited by Gzdvtz; June 17th, 2011 at 08:04 PM.

June 17th, 2011, 08:12 PM	#14
yerushalmi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 2	it also has a lot to do with the taxation. cars are a good example - a new toyota yaris will cost $14,000 in the usa, here it costs $29,000 (100,000 ₪) - I kid you not. and its considered a cheaper category car. toyota corolla - $16,000 in the usa, $35,000 here (120,000 ₪) so for what we pay for a corolla you could buy a lexus. Last edited by yerushalmi; June 17th, 2011 at 08:31 PM.

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Gzdvtz Whatevah Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ☭υρώπη Posts: 4,663	The worst thing about cars is that for example a VW that costs, say, 30,000€ in Europe costs 30,000$ in the US __________________ You can put a bullet through my head, but you can’t kill the word I said. Don’t pray in my school and I won’t think in your temple. Last edited by Gzdvtz; June 17th, 2011 at 08:58 PM.

June 17th, 2011, 11:06 PM	#18
Gzdvtz Whatevah Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ☭υρώπη Posts: 4,663	Ha! I've been buying my clothes and shoes over the past years over the internet mainly from American sites, even with the shipping charges and sometimes tax paid on them it's A LOT cheaper than here. I don't wanna even start about electronics, I've bought cameras for friends from amazon that again with shipping and taxes were considerably less than what local shops sell them for. __________________ You can put a bullet through my head, but you can’t kill the word I said. Don’t pray in my school and I won’t think in your temple.

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