Subway/Metro/Tube Maps...who wants to post them?

[Justme]

Originally Posted by Nicux

@bitxofo : TRAMS/LRT IN UE:

1. Berlin: 303 km
2. Wien: 183 km
3. Prage: 137 km
4. Brussels: 133 km
5. Frankfurt: 125 km
6. Warszawa: 122 km
7. Helsinki: 90 km
8. Munchen: 71 km
9. Zurich: 69 km
10. London: 55 km


And Milan?? There are at least 200 km of tram tracks there! Definately more than in Wien!

Sorry, but where did this list come from? There is a thread about public transport in Europe here: which has the most up to date figures for route lengths. It has been constantly updated by other forumers through 15 pages of discussion.

This list includes only Trams though, or light rail when they are more closer in definition to trams than to metro systems, This list doesn't include the total trams within a metropolitan area. e.g. Frankfurt's metro area has three networks that are linked by S-bahn with a total of 125km. The Rhein Ruhr would also be enormous in total.

Sankt Peterburg: 692km
Moskva: 418.8km
Milano: 287km
Katowice: 245km
Vienna: 240km
Sofia: 222km
Bruxelles: 205km
Köln: 188.5km
Berlin: 187.7km
Budapest: 156km
Bucuresti: 155km
Leipzig: 152.6km
Oslo: 152.5km
Karlsruhe: 149.9km
Düsseldorf: 146.3km
Göteborg: 144km
Kyiv: 139.9km
Basel: 139km
Amsterdam: 138km
Kharkiv: 132.2km
Dresden: 129.6km
Den Haag: 128.1km
Beograd: 127.3km
Prague: 125km
Torino: 123km
Riga: 123km
Warszawa: 119km
Lodz: 113km
Zürich: 108.9km
Odesa: 108.9km
Nizhni Novgorod: 100km

[poller1]

Originally Posted by coth

Moscow Metro
278km 171 stations. Over 95% is under the ground.
3,4bln passangers per year in 10,5mln city

here is self made metro map
(c) coth
http://*******************/gallery/d/1516-2/english.pdf

Great map. Just an off topic question. Is that ring line in Moscow succesful?

Are there examples of successful and unsuccessful urban public transport ring lines? (metro/tram)

[coth]

Don't know about other metro systems, but in Moscow ring line is very successful.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by poller1

Great map. Just an off topic question. Is that ring line in Moscow succesful?

Are there examples of successful and unsuccessful urban public transport ring lines? (metro/tram)

The circle line in London is very well used, although it doesn't have the best frequencies of the central tube lines. There is of cause the circle line pub crawl. 28 pints in 12 hours. Can be quite some fun.

[Bitxofo]

Originally Posted by coth

Don't know about other metro systems, but in Moscow ring line is very successful.

In Madrid, there are 2 ring lines: 6 and 12. Line 6 is very succesful, line 12 is less succesful because is out of the city itself.

[samsonyuen]

Great Boston map!

[invincible]

Metropolitan Melbourne trains and trams:
This is everything within the three ticketing zones, drawn to scale. I was going to put stations in, but there's 200 of them. And there is no giant coverage hole in the south - that's Port Phillip Bay.

Blue = electrified suburban rail
Red = diesel services
Green = trams and light rail


Click for larger size: 2000x1833 pixels, 29kb

[Humberto123]

Originally Posted by samsonyuen

Great Boston map!

Agree! awesome...

[Justme]

The Melbourne one from invincible is also pretty cool. What I would love to see, is it with all the stations, including the Tram stops.

Now, the tram stops would be a problem, as if I remember correctly Melbourne has a large number of "half" stops, where say, stop "19" is for traffic only in one direction, and then a bit further up the road stop "20" is for the tram on the other side of the road.

[mr_storms]

San Jose has a lot of those, because the section between the roadway in a lot of locations isnt wide enough to fit the two tracks and the two platforms, only 1. So the stations are staggered down the street to fit everything

[Minato ku]

There are a ring line in Paris subway but it separated in two ligne

look at line 2 and line 6


In Paris subway project of 1898 line 2 and 6 are a ring line (ligne B)

[juanico]

Actually, the organisation of the Parisian subway is simpler than it looks, if you consider the 6 first lines:

2 east/west parallel lines (1 and 3)
2 north/south parrallel lines (4 and 5)
2 lines making a ring (2 and 6)

the rest are diagonals and semi circles.

it would looks very clear on a schematic map, instead of the actual realistic map.

[Minato ku]

Paris subway maps

Map Metro RER Commuter train Tram


Map metro 1937

[Minato ku]

Originally Posted by juanico

Actually, the organisation of the Parisian subway is simpler than it looks, if you consider the 6 first lines:

2 east/west parallel lines (1 and 3)
2 north/south parrallel lines (4 and 5)
2 lines making a ring (2 and 6)

the rest are diagonals and semi circles.

it would looks very clear on a schematic map, instead of the actual realistic map.

line 4 and 5 parrallel (two line parrallel don't be connected at same station )
lines 4 and 5 are connected at Gare De L'Est Station

[Metropolitan]

Originally Posted by minato ku

There are a ring line in Paris subway but it separated in two ligne

[...]

In Paris subway project of 1898 line 2 and 6 are a ring line (ligne B)

Actually, line 2 and line 6 have always been thought as independent lines, never as a ring. However, you're indeed right that in the first years they were respectively called "2Nord" (2North) for line 2 and "2Sud" (2South) for line 6. And there was also the idea to make trains circulating in circle. However, that plan has finally been considered as too complicate and a system with all trains sharing the same road has been considered as more efficient (trains circulating exclusively on one line and stopping at each stations).

Finally, the line 2South became firstly the line 5 (as you can see on the 1937 map you'v posted) before becoming the line 6 during the German occupation.

Originally Posted by Juanico

it would looks very clear on a schematic map, instead of the actual realistic map.

According to most Parisians, the metro is very clear simply because it's mostly made of single line with trains stopping at each stations. And it's really not that hard to get the map in mind. However, the generic map of the metro is actually a scheme, not realistic at all. You can try if you want to simplify the scheme, but you'll realize fast that it's almost impossible because of the connections between lines that you have to respect.

If you check well, the lines on the last metro map has only 45° angles turn. That's not realistic, it was made in order to simplify the map. Distances between stations aren't realistic either. However, it was made in order to be as simple as possible.

Just for fun, here's an independent version of Paris network. It looks even more complicated than ever : Urban Rail's metro map of Paris

Even as a Parisian I feel lost !

[invincible]

Originally Posted by Justme

The Melbourne one from invincible is also pretty cool. What I would love to see, is it with all the stations, including the Tram stops.

Now, the tram stops would be a problem, as if I remember correctly Melbourne has a large number of "half" stops, where say, stop "19" is for traffic only in one direction, and then a bit further up the road stop "20" is for the tram on the other side of the road.

Stations are easily done, but tram stops would probably involve me actually having to travel along each route. I've got plenty of time, but that sure isn't going to be one of my priorities.

The only thing that's really holding me back is that the PSD file I'm working with has become extremely large and every single process takes ages. I did the map using a street directory as an underlay which results in my 400mb PSD.

[MSPtoMKE]

^Really cool map Tram stops would be neat, but in my opinion they would clutter the map too much. On the other hand, you can flatten the map you have now (if you are sure everything is how you want) and start adding stations to the suburban rail, and labels.

[Heilig]

Oficial map of São Paulo, Brazil

[Justme]

Originally Posted by invincible

Stations are easily done, but tram stops would probably involve me actually having to travel along each route. I've got plenty of time, but that sure isn't going to be one of my priorities.

The only thing that's really holding me back is that the PSD file I'm working with has become extremely large and every single process takes ages. I did the map using a street directory as an underlay which results in my 400mb PSD.

Actually, the street directories would have the tram stops, at least Melway does. One would have to consolidate those double stops, i.e. one stop marked "19/20" to simplify the map.

The only problem is time. I wanted to do such a map as well, but I can't see me ever having time as well.

[juanico]

Originally Posted by minato ku

line 4 and 5 parrallel (two line parrallel don't be connected at same station )
lines 4 and 5 are connected at Gare De L'Est Station

apart from that it is, if you look at it as a scheme... for the user i am lines 4 and 5 mean north/south.