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Old September 15th, 2005, 05:25 PM   #1
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MILAN | Public Transport

There was a big thread in the last winter about Milan's new suburban railway tunnel being completed through downtown. I was curious about the ridership numbers and overall performance of the new tunnel. Is there congestion issues? Has it eased congestion on the railway line that goes around the city?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:47 PM   #2
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Ya, and somehow I never understood what the Passante was...some messages seemed to describe it as a line itself, and others as a very long passage tunnel, linking stations from other lines that would otherwise not allow for transfers.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:58 PM   #3
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you can see maps and pics of S-lines on Cooper's website www.msrmilano.com it's a great website.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 09:02 PM   #4
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Maps of the Passante (so as M lines and S lines) can be download also in www.msrmilano.com click ENTRA, click RETE E LINEE, click MAPPE E SCHEMI.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 09:06 PM   #5
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The passante is the long underground tunnel that crosses the city where most of the S-lines meet, and that links the S-lines with all the M-lines.

here is the map:

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Old September 16th, 2005, 02:41 AM   #6
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When is the final link from Pta. Vittoria onwards going to open that will allow for the rest of the S-Lines to be started?
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Old September 16th, 2005, 04:06 AM   #7
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Nice map, European1978!

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When is the final link from Pta. Vittoria onwards going to open that will allow for the rest of the S-Lines to be started?
I believe that will gradually happen for S7 and S8 next year and for the south links with Pavia in 2008 but i m not sure... Cooper is the expert here...

at BITXOFO: u r welcome, then again, my special thanks go to Cooper as it's from his website.
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I believe that will gradually happen for S7 and S8 next year and for the south links with Pavia in 2008 but i m not sure... Cooper is the expert here...

at BITXOFO: u r welcome, then again, my special thanks go to Cooper as it's from his website.
Nice Milan projects!

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Why have you got BCN in your location?
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coz I lived there, I have a flat also nearby Figueras. I live in Berlin though.
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Old September 17th, 2005, 04:43 PM   #11
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Passante stations:









S stations in the Milan suburb:









tnx www.msrmilano.com
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Old September 17th, 2005, 05:54 PM   #12
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As European said Milan Passante is a tunnel running under the center of Milan from West to East
The tunnel is linked with the national railways network (F.S.) and Ferrovie Nord Milano network (a society with an own network for local transport in Milan area and Lombardy)

Passante was thought to "pass-by" Milan, linking the branches coming from opposite directions, without run on Milan rail ring
Passante is completely dedicated to Suburban trains wich are the only ones to use it
With its stations underground in the center of the city it consents a very good interchange with urban transportation network (busses, trams and metros) and it can be used as a metro-line itself, in central stretch trains have a frequency under 5 minutes

With the completion of the tunnel at the begin of 2005 Passante became fully operative and the new network of Lines S (Suburban railways) started


This is the scheme of underground stations of Passante
It is the grey stretch the proper underground tunnel: here in this map it indicates the stretch of S10, an S line which works as a Shuttle between the stations of Porta Vittoria and Lancetti



Here you can see Passante in its "true" run through the city and its link with still existing railways network and metro interchanges
[img]http://www.metroetram.***************/metropolitane/milano/passante/foto/mappa_100.jpg[/img]

Some wievs of Passante tunnel


Passante underground stations

LANCETTI













P.ta GARIBALDI









REPUBBLICA









P.ta VENEZIA











DATEO

[img]http://www.metroetram.***************/metropolitane/milano/passante/foto/dateo.jpg[/img]





[img]http://www.**************/ospiti/mtolini/DSCN1148%20copia%20Dateo%20treno%20per%20Bovisa%20Nord.JPG[/img]

P.ta VITTORIA















Nowadays they're thinking to build a second Passante to "close" the rail ring, with a direction N/W - South...
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Thanks to

www.msrmilano.com

www.**************

www.treni-dintorni.com

www.metroetram.***************

www.marcofreddi.org

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Old September 19th, 2005, 05:19 PM   #13
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Thanks everyone. Those pics were great and thanks for the updates. It sounds like a successful project.

The stations seem very large. How many cars are in each train set?

And since when does it snow in Milan....
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Old September 19th, 2005, 06:09 PM   #14
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The trains of the Line S10, the one that runs in the Passante, are the TAF, 103 meters long, double decks, 874 people (476 seats).

platform long 250 meters

train frequency: 3 minutes for 19 hours per day

max high speed: 60 km/h

cost of the urban portion of the Passante: 880 Millions of Euro = 1.068 Millions of USD

then there are many other type of trains that runs inside the Passante, but all are not longer of 200 meters.

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snow.
every year there are normally 4 or 5 days of snow in the propre Milano (the small municipality of 182 square km). normally it snow between late december to late february.
outside the inner city the snow days are many more. (i think normally around 15 to 20 each year). the snowest area is the Brianza, an hills area northern than Milano, between the city and the lake district.
the last big one was 4 or 5 years ago, when it snow for 2 days, and there was 30 cm in Milano and an half meters in Monza and Brianza.
the biggest one was in the mid 80's when there was more than 1 meters in the propre Milano.
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Old September 19th, 2005, 06:37 PM   #15
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Quote:
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The stations seem very large. How many cars are in each train set?
Units can be combined in compositions from 2 to 6 cars, wich can be combined themselves to a maximum of 4 compositions and 12 cars in total per train. Though max composition wich can be received by Passante platforms (250 m) is 9 cars.
Trains are delivered from the builder in compositions of 5 cars (MCH-M-M-M-MCH) and 3 cars (MCH-M-MCH). Service is mostly carried out with 5 cars compositions, strengthened in rush hours with 3 cars compositions, having then 8 cars trains.

From http://www.msrmilano.com/hometot.htm

This is an exemple of composition of 3 cars of Passante trains: they're doubble deckers named TAF (Treni Alta Frequentazione)

[img]http://www.**************/phr3-gli%20updates/images/5fotomese/dictafxxx-160601ptebrenta.jpg[/img]

This is an image of new trains ordered

[img]http://www.metroetram.***************/metropolitane/milano/passante/foto/colorazione_taf.jpg[/img]



Quote:
And since when does it snow in Milan....
Since I was born almost every winter...
Milan is just 60 kms South of Alps
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Old May 24th, 2006, 03:41 PM   #16
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Approved 2 new Subway Lines in Milan

Approved yesterday 2 new lines of subway in Milan.

LINE M4
15 Kms - 22 stations (26 with the Southern Branch)
all underground except 2 kms between Forlanini and Linate Airport.


Stations planned are:
Lorenteggio (S9), Gelsomini, Frattini, Tolstoi, Washington/Bolivar, Foppa, Parco Solari, S. Ambrogio (M2), De Amicis, Vetra, S. Sofia, Crocetta (M3), Sforza/Policlinico, Sforza/Sormani, Visconti di Modrone, S.Babila (M1), Tricolore, Dateo (S1,S2,S4,S5,S10), Susa, Argonne, Forlanini (S9), Aeroporto Linate.
(Souther Branch: Forlanini (S9), Ovidio, Mecenate, Ungheria, Santa Giulia.

First Stage: Lorenteggio(S9)-Policlinico (M3)
Second Stage: Policlinico (M3)-Linate
Third Stage: southern branch from Forlanini to Santa Giulia. (not yet approved)

LINE M5
16.5 Kms - 24 station
all underground


Stations planned are:
Stadio San Siro, Esquilino, Segesta Lotto Palalido (M1), Portello, 3 Torri, Domodossola (S3,S4), Gerusalemme, Cenisio/Chinatown, Cimitero Monumentale, Garibaldi (M2;S1,S2,S4,S5,S7,S8,S10), Isola, Zara (M3), Marche, Istria, Ca' Granda, Bicocca, Ponale, Bignami, Sesto S.G.-Testi, Sesto S.G.-Rondinella, Cinisello-Matteotti, Monza Restellone, Monza-Bettola.

First Stage: Garibaldi-Bignami
Second Stage: Bignami-Monza Bettola
Third Stage: Garibaldi-San Siro
Fourth Stage: San Siro-Settimo Milanese (not yet approved)

Approved also the exstension of M1, M2 and M3.

LINE M1
from Sesto S.G. I° Maggio(S7,S8,S9) to Monza Bettola (M5)
1.9 Kms - 2 stations
all underground

LINE M2
from Cologno Nord to Vimercate
14 Kms, elevated or at grade - 6/7 stations

LINE M3
from San Donato Milanese to Paullo
10 Kms (6 underground - 4 surface) 7 stations

UNDER CONSTRUCTION:

LINE M2
Soutern Branch: 4.8 kms
2 or 3 stations.
all at grade
end of works: 2007

LINE M3
Exstension from Maciacchini to Comasina
3.9 kms - 4 stations
all underground
end of works: 2008


LINE S - suburban.

Line 7 and Line 8 will be opened from 2008.
New 2 stations on the Line S9 will be opened between end of 2006 and beginnings of 2007: Tibaldi and Romolo.
other stations on the S9 will be opened in the 2008 at Porta Romana and Corsico.
Under project some new stations along S9 at Forlanini (Link to Linate) and Monza.
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Who cares......put it in a local thread.
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Old May 24th, 2006, 08:38 PM   #18
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thank you very much Gruber.

Is it possible to find a map with all these new subway maps?

I think Milan needs l these new lines.

thank you again

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Old May 24th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #19
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Who cares......put it in a local thread.
Do they have any subways in South Florida? Troll...
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Prodi a go-go! (?)
Just kidding. Do they have electricity back in Florida already?
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