MILANO | Public Transport

[GENIUS LOCI]

No... they just suspended the service

Anyway it is not the last existing interurban tramway in all Italy.
For istance, just few km East there is Milano-Desio tramway (which will be upgraded and extended to Seregno)
And just 50 km far from Milan there is Bergamo-Albino tramway opened just few years ago

Anyway I hope they will start again the service on Milano-Limbiate which needs a refurbishment IMO
Unfortunately today's politics of Atm are dismantling tram and suburban service.

[friedrichstrasse]

Originally Posted by GENIUS LOCI

Milano-Desio tramway (which will be upgraded and extended to Seregno)

Hopefully. Since now, no works at all, and service is suspended since september 2011 (lack of funds?).

[Woonsocket54]

Originally Posted by pccvspw999

Simply because the line isn't ready.
As far as I understand, it will last also a couple of day during the meeting with Pope Benedict XVI, and closed again to be completed.

It will be used as a sort of orizontal elevator to move masses of people from Zara M3 station to Bignami, next to the meeting site.

So...did M5 open temporarily for the papal visit?

[pccvspw999]

No. At least the resposible office of the ministry didn't gave the authorisation for this temporarely opening. It evaluated the system not sufficiently reliable to trasport people even for a short time.

[Suburbanist]

Makes sense!

The last thing you want is open a not-yet-commissioned subway with a blast in a single day it would likely operate at record ridership for decades to come.

[Attus]

Hello,

if I want to take a train from any Passante station to Pioltello-Limito and there change to a regional train to Bergamo (according to Trenitalia.it I can do it once an hour) can I buy a proper ticket at Passante stations? What kind of ticket do I need (considering that I have a Milano daily ticket)?

[GENIUS LOCI]

Platform doors at Sesto FS M1 station

Originally Posted by domenico127

Ieri sono andato a vederle, ecco le foto:

[GENIUS LOCI]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

Hopefully. Since now, no works at all, and service is suspended since september 2011 (lack of funds?).

"MetroTranvia Milano Parco Nord-Desio-Seregno FS: Aggiudicato il 29 Giugno 2012 l'Appalto. I Lavori dal Gennaio 2013, al 2015, in 28 Mesi.

Nella giornata di ieri, sono state aperte le buste per la costruzione della MetroTranvia Milano-Seregno FS.
Hanno partecipato 12 ditte, di cui 3 senza i requisiti, e l'appalto è stato assegnato alla ditta C.M.C (Cooperativa Muratori e Cementisti di Ravenna). Si tratta di un'opera del valore di € 238 Milioni (il 60% dello Stato; e il 40% dei Comuni Interessati dal tracciato), con una lunghezza del percorso di 14 Km. La partenza di Lavori, è stabilita a Gennaio 2013, e la fine è prevista dopo 28 mesi (salvo auspicabili accellerazioni), per la metà del 2015, in epoca EXPO'."

Transl.

Tramway Milan Parco Nord - Desio - Seregno FS: contract awarded on June 29, 2012 . Works will start since January 2013, to 2015, and last 28 months.

Yesterday, the envelopes were opened for the construction of the Milan-Seregno FS.
12 companies participated, 3 of which did not qualify, and the contract was awarded to CMC company (Cooperativa Muratori and Cementisti of Ravenna). This work has an amount of € 238 million (60% from State, and 40% from the municipalities lapped by the track), with a length of 14 Kms. Works will start on January 2013, and their end is expected within 28 months (unless otherwise desirable accelerations), for half of 2015, during Milan EXPO.

[GENIUS LOCI]

Some pics to witness works for the construction of M4 has finally begun

Originally Posted by caligola00

il punto zero.....

Here works at Linate. they demolished a parking building to build the station

[Woonsocket54]

Which Sesto station is that up there with the construction pics? Is that Sesto Restellone for the M1 train?

[Apteryx]

No, it's Sesto FS (the actual terminus of the line), they are installing the barriers.
Sesto Restellone and Monza Bettola are under construction, but seems that the works are now stopped for financing problems.

[GENIUS LOCI]

Some pics of the awful entrances of M5

Originally Posted by Cristian1989

Bignami


Ponale



Bicocca




Cà Granda Pratocentenaro (notare le tag )

[gincan]

Is this really a metro line? The station entrances look so small, to me it look more like a mini metro or light rail line

[trainrover]

Nothing extraordinary about narrow entrances to a metro underground ... queuing/pedestrian traffic jams occur frequently enough, not all that bothersome either.

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by gincan

Is this really a metro line? The station entrances look so small, to me it look more like a mini metro or light rail line

It is a heavy subway line in terms of vehicle design, signaling etc. However it is not predicted to be that busy. It suffers from some shortcomings, such as too closely spaced stations. It was also done "on the cheap", so no grandiose Napoli-style stations.

Here, a map of line 5



The second part of the line (in deep blue) will be more important than the first phase, as it will integrate a handful of other commuter rail and subway lines, whereas the first phase will follow mostly a high-performance tramway that goes above it (and that inexplicably will not be dismantled when the subway opens, though teh financial crisis might push ATM to cut the tramvia 31 to the last M5 station - Bignami).

[friedrichstrasse]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

It is a heavy subway line in terms of vehicle design, signaling etc.

No, it will be a light subway line, similar to Copenhagen metro.

[GENIUS LOCI]

You both are wrong

Assuming that Copenhagen metro is not heavy metro (I don't think it is, but my personal opinion on the difference between light and heavy metro is that it is 'illogical' and pointless) Milan's convoys, which are the same type of trains than Copenhagen's, will be longer and with more capacity.
Despite this they're shorter and with less capacity (about 50%) of the ones in current metro lines in Milan (which have, actually, very capable convoys with about 1200 pax each).
There are traditional metro lines in the world with similar capacity. And they're not authomatic metro lines (which increases the theoretical capacity of the line)

[GENIUS LOCI]

The other two TBM start digging at Monumentale station.

Originally Posted by sebametro

la prima talpa come vedete ha gia scavato per circa 5 metri, a detta di un tecnico della zona sono stati portati via ben 5 camion di smarino come ha detto giustamente tianzano con cassoni, successivamente verra costruito l'impianto di smarino che farà una U e tornerà nell'altra meta della piazza
per quanto riguarda la galleria sant antonio (garibaldi - monumentale) sono a circa 5m dal pozzo monumentale



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[GENIUS LOCI]

One of the recently built suburban railways stations. Castellanza FNM
On Malpensa express route







In the future a new station on the overpassing FS track (which will be enlarged) will be built to interchange with current station

An aerial view o fthe station still u/c



Some videos

[Neverworld]

Originally Posted by GENIUS LOCI

You both are wrong

Assuming that Copenhagen metro is not heavy metro (I don't think it is, but my personal opinion on the difference between light and heavy metro is that it is 'illogical' and pointless) Milan's convoys, which are the same type of trains than Copenhagen's, will be longer and with more capacity.
Despite this they're shorter and with less capacity (about 50%) of the ones in current metro lines in Milan (which have, actually, very capable convoys with about 1200 pax each).
There are traditional metro lines in the world with similar capacity. And they're not authomatic metro lines (which increases the theoretical capacity of the line)

And what about M4 (the future line to Linate), will that have the same smaller capacity as M5, or will it be similar to the current metro lines?