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Old January 19th, 2013, 01:18 AM   #361
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Water transport of goods was substituted by rail and road transport.

The canals ran around the city centre, so on their route they built a ring road with high-rise buildings.

And anyway the air was quite unhealthy because of the water.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #362
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And anyway the air was quite unhealthy because of the water.
I bet it was in those days, but now it would be pretty and a tourist draw
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Old January 19th, 2013, 03:09 AM   #363
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Even today Milan(o) (and most of the Pianura Padana) have serious problems with mostquitoes on spring and summer. God forbids having a lot of stagnant bodies of water there, it would be even more sticky and full of annoying insects ROFL.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 03:21 PM   #364
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I bet it was in those days, but now it would be pretty and a tourist draw
Since about 30 years or so there is a debate on open again the so called 'cerchia interna', the canal which is now covered by a ring road.

Almost everyone is in favour to 'rebuild' part of the historical navigli, but it will be too expensive and it always remained a dream

About three years ago a group of students in Architecture at Milan's Politecnico University worked out a very interesting project which could be more sustainable, economically speaking

Current Milan administration is evaluating how to make this project real; we'll see

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52241934/M...nano-i-navigli
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Old January 21st, 2013, 03:47 PM   #365
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to me, it's just a matter of time. Maybe not this generation, or the following one. But someday we'll see the water in milan's historic centre. And it is not stagnant at all suburbanist the mosquitos do not depends on the channels inside of the city...
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Old January 21st, 2013, 05:39 PM   #366
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There is no point in putting water near the Duomo. A city must look to its future more than to its past!
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:30 PM   #367
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The future? To pack the city of cars is the past
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:39 PM   #368
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 02:09 PM   #369
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Milan is water. As simple as that. If this city wants to be intelligible in its beauty and in its essence, in its genius loci I would say ( ) it should valorize its quintessential element. The duomo itself was built thanks to the navigli channels bringing marble stones from the alps directly inside the city center, in a harbour located some 100 meters away from the golden spire of the cathedral...
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:15 PM   #370
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To Piazza San Sepolcro are not exactly "100m", but anyway near enough to the cathedral to say: "very closed".
Of course "water" and the necessary "know how" to manage it, were the reasons why "Milan-is-Milan". It wasn't founded to control directly fords or bridges on rivers, it was founded to control, for his own defense, those who controlled ford and bridges (f.e.Pavia), and contemporarely control the agriculture in his lands. Not far from natural bastions like alps, and also not so far from larger streams like Ticino, Po and Adda.
It's not a case that the strongest antagonist was Pavia and/or internal feuds, until someone was able to cross the alps (Barbarossa and french Charles VII/Louis XII).
Perfectly shaped for commerce and industry as these became the most important economic factors. And "water" played it's role also in this matter.

Anyway the reconstruction of some "navigli" shall occur only there were the most scenografic effect may be achieved. Not the complete net of channels: it's not effordable from the economic view and also pointless.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #371
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If the channels were still there I would support preserving them. Rebuilding them on a large scale, however, makes no sense.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #372
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Anyway Milan still got navigli, just the most central part of this web of canals was covered





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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:32 PM   #373
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This is the canal near the place I lived: http://goo.gl/maps/SwfTP
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Milano: il Naviglio Grande in via Lodovico il Moro by Alefilobus, on Flickr
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I always thought they could cover it and replace the water by some green boulevard, shif the tram tracks to the middle of it, and then make a faster avenue with each side of the former canal a one-way road with 2 lanes.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #374
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why not build commie block on the covered Navigli?
Those are historical heritage: they were the first channels ever built in the history of mankind with the system of the locks, the system used for the Panama canal, just to name the technological revolution they brought.
They represents a world heritage site from as far as the XI-XIIth century (no doubt UNESCO would preserve them when they'll be back), reopening them is like digging out archeological monuments, a must act towards Leonardo da Vinci and those who worked to create those artificial channels in the innerland.

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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #375
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Talking about navigli and public transport to back in topic, in 2009 there was an experimental line on Naviglio Grande with a service beetwen Darsena (current most central point of the canals in Milan) and Trezzano sul Naviglio, 15 km South West.

It was a failure because people used it for leisure having a tour on Navigli. And people who wanted to use it simply as PT often couldn't get on board as you can see in this video with poor 'commuters' in Trezzano complaining because the passengers didn't get off the boat at the terminus.



I hope in the future they'll try again, more seriously than in this experimentation.
there are even the 'water stops' left which could be usefull for a public transport on the canals

https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...270.65,,2,1.95

Anyway currently there are some touristic lines http://www.naviglilive.it/NAVIGARE_S..._BATTELLO.html
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Old February 5th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #376
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Here we go, next week end M5 begins its service

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Old February 5th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #377
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Here is a big map of the network with line 5


There is more construction going than the segment shown (P. Garibaldi-Zara) though...


Some people also think the "core" of S routes through the Passante (Bovisa-Rogoredo) should be shown as a subway, I kinda agree with that.
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All the line from San Siro to Zara is U/C (obviously Zara - Bignami is completed)

I think all the S lines network has to be shown in the map, like Berlin maps or something
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Old February 6th, 2013, 03:43 AM   #379
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Yes, but the ATM map shows only Pta Garibaldi - Zara as u/c, which is obviously wrong
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Ok, but while Zara-Garibaldi will be ready maybe within 2013, the rest of the line won't work before 2015.
Then it's not very important for the users

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