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Old February 6th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #381
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What will be the frequency on the MM5?
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Old February 6th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #382
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6 minutes for now, the goal is to have a train every 3 minutes at the end of the 2013.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #383
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Some people also think the "core" of S routes through the Passante (Bovisa-Rogoredo) should be shown as a subway, I kinda agree with that.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #384
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Oddly enough, after many delays the subway though the CityLife area will end up being completed BEFORE the actual skyscrapers u/c there...
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Old February 9th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #385
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Oddly enough, after many delays the subway though the CityLife area will end up being completed BEFORE the actual skyscrapers u/c there...
That's actually quite good. Infrastructure should be ready before an area will be used. Give people all options. Finishing subway lines or motorways years after an area is developed is disrespectful towards those people.

I lived some 3km from you in Milan by the way
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Old February 9th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #386
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A very good news, in Paris area we have a big business district (Vélizy) built for a metro that never came.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #387
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The stop Tre Torri (literally Three Towers, refferring at the three landmark towers of CityLife project) was thought just because of the new district developement.

Infact it is exactly in the middle of the area. The risk is the metro could bring you up in a huge u/c area

Anyway maybe that Tre Torri won't be open in a very first phase (not a problem for the line functionality though) over all because the structure of the station itself is 'linked' with structure of the pedestrian square under the towers. It's like an undergruond macrostructure, then the delays which could occur on CityLife developement status probably can delay the metro station opening too.

The metro station and underground levels of CityLife project
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The area on January the 30th
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Anyway in 2015 at least Dritto Tower and libeskind and hadid's residential areas will be ready. At least!
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #388
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About Tre Torri.
It is the arrival for all the 4 TBMs they're using to dig M5 tunnels.

In few week the first TBM will reach the goal coming from Portello station
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Old February 10th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #389
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Some pics of the first day of M5 by Alma70

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Old February 10th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #390
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Have you already take it ? If you have, what are your impressions about the new M5 ?
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Old February 11th, 2013, 01:50 AM   #391
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Yup.
We were a group of SSC forumers and among 'em there was even the guy who took these pics.

My impressions.
Today it was a bit messy because of the crowd who wanted to see the new metro line (and everybody wanted to stay in the front of the train to look out from the front window) then everything was too confused.

Anyway. I don't like the stations, their colours and their details; but I found 'em brighter than expected.
I thought even the platforms were more 'clustophobic' but I saw there is space enough.
Obviously they're small (less than 60 m) but we know it previously.
Unfortunately, unlike the second stretch and M4, the stations haven't been built thinking of a possible future convoys 'extension' (now they've 4 coaches for a total lenght of 52m; I think they'll need soon a coupple coaches more for a total lenght of 78), but, for what i see, maybe in a coupple of station they could find more space to extend the platforms without huge works.

About the trains, I like 'em. But i thought 'em in Copenhagen so they'were not a surprise to me.
Unlike the new trains of the other three lines the announcements are just in Italian, ando not even in English and there are two more announcements.
Even the signs to comunicate to the user stuff like stand clear of the doors and so on are bit different.
I hope in the future they'll give uniformity to all the lines

Well. I think I said nough for now
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Old February 11th, 2013, 03:20 AM   #392
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M5 can bring down its interval on commercial operation as low as 88 seconds. Since it is fully automated, there is no need to hire dozens of drivers for that.

This is the advantage of automated systems: you can increase frequency without jacking up a lot of manpower costs, instead of just running longer trains. The public benefits more from increased frequency in these settings, I think.

I was hoping they would cut the tramway #31 to Cineselo to the endpoint of line 5, but that is not the case.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #393
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The problem is the web IMO

M5 interchange with other metro lines and S lines and railways station.
I wonder what will happen once in a rush hour the passenger from a packed M1 or M2 train (they could carry up to 1.200 passengers) go to pack M5 trains which 'just' could carry 536 passengers
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Old February 12th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #394
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i find it a little 'cheap' when you think it's new.
Torino metro is better (it comes from here VAL metro Lille/france origin )

Milan is a 'mid-cost' metro imo.
We are far from Jubilee line London or L14 Paris.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #395
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I don't think it's a matter of cost but a matter of attention to details and design. You could do something way better with the same money IMO
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Also potentially a problem on match days for the stop in San Siro probably? But you're saying that they already reserved room for longer platforms, in all stations or just maybe in a few (which would be quite useless)?
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Also potentially a problem on match days for the stop in San Siro probably? But you're saying that they already reserved room for longer platforms, in all stations or just maybe in a few (which would be quite useless)?
Ubfortunately, as far as I know, the second stretch (Garibaldi San Siro) as such a possibility
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Old February 13th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #398
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A nice video of M5

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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #399
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^ nice video!
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Old February 14th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #400
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I don't think it's a matter of cost but a matter of attention to details and design. You could do something way better with the same money IMO
Normally i would agree, but this time costs have been cutted to single cents, that's what I think. Of course, it's a matter of taste, different patterns could have been choosed, but it's not what I meen with "low cost".
I wonder if even the colour of the wall plates was choosen because it was less expensive then other colours of the same material.
And what to say about the line colour "lilla". Was it selected because "lilla" is less expensive than "viola" or "magenta"? It's absurd, I know, but I'm just wondering how far the "low cost"-thinking has come through.
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