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Old June 30th, 2011, 03:56 PM   #101
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Old June 30th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #102
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Old July 1st, 2011, 12:06 PM   #103
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Old July 1st, 2011, 03:22 PM   #104
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Started today, the new public transport service in the suburban south-west of Milan, Lot No.5 managed by ATM through the companies PMT and STAV.

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Old July 1st, 2011, 08:28 PM   #105
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A video on the suburban rail line S9.

Quite old video, a branch where the line runs on Southern railways ring between Porta Romana railway station and Romolo (interchange with M2).
In the future a third station is forecast on this stretch (named Tibaldi)


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Old July 2nd, 2011, 04:49 PM   #106
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An 'art gallery' in a corridor of Duomo metro station sponsored by easyjet


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Old July 2nd, 2011, 05:17 PM   #107
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Comasina station, M3 terminus


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Old July 2nd, 2011, 08:31 PM   #108
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They should adopt driverless operation on line 3 and fit it with PSDs.
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Old July 2nd, 2011, 10:28 PM   #109
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How would you guys rank Milan's mass transit based on 0-10 score?
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 01:22 AM   #110
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How would you guys rank Milan's mass transit based on 0-10 score?
6.

Major problems in my opinion, in no particular order:
- fare is too low, draining city budget to cover 84% of its operational expenses. It should be tripled overnight, for a starter. € 30 for unlimited ride on the system is outrageous, a burden on those who don't use the system and a form of extracting tax money for rich inhabitants to pay for yet another social program.
- old trams might look "charming", but they are HELL to ride, noisy, hot/cold, totally uncomfortable. Sirio trams should be used to replace all old crappy trains on lines 29 and 30, to begin with.
- the disposition of overground lines make the system unreliable, God forbid the milanesi making connections or using different vehicles to complete the journey, despite the integrated fare (therefore the city refuses to take away bus/tram lines from city center or lines running in similar alignments of subway lines)
- most buses are filthy, cleaning standards are low
- in some specific cases, reserved lanes for buses put a burden on car traffic and should be scrapped altogether, buses diverted to other roads where they don't interfere with cars and scooters
- there are not sufficient conductors to check payment on nights and weekends, and many, particularly rowdy teenagers, end up riding without payment, disrupting the environment and even drinking on board.
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 10:33 AM   #111
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I would say 7/8

The major problem IMO is the difference between Milan and suburbs.
I think to use PT within Milan's municipality border it's easy and you can go everywhere. Obviously I think metro and tram web need a completion (the second one more than a completion a renovation in many points which are in share with cars, due to the time when the tracks where built)

Problems are with the metro area.
Not only for the lack of infrastructures, but mostly for the lack of integration: there is a large number of transport authority operating around Milan, and it's quite messy in term of reliability and usability.

A transportation authority for the metro area (and a metro area figure itself) is needed to make everything more integrated; just one company for bus, metro, trains and so on in the whole MA. Like RATP in Paris, for istance
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 10:56 AM   #112
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 07:57 PM   #113
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I would say 7/8

The major problem IMO is the difference between Milan and suburbs.
I think to use PT within Milan's municipality border it's easy and you can go everywhere. Obviously I think metro and tram web need a completion (the second one more than a completion a renovation in many points which are in share with cars, due to the time when the tracks where built)

Problems are with the metro area.
Not only for the lack of infrastructures, but mostly for the lack of integration: there is a large number of transport authority operating around Milan, and it's quite messy in term of reliability and usability.

A transportation authority for the metro area (and a metro area figure itself) is needed to make everything more integrated; just one company for bus, metro, trains and so on in the whole MA. Like RATP in Paris, for istance
Any plans for a regional authority?
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 09:42 PM   #114
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City of Milan. Day: 7. Night: 4

Metropolitan area. Day: 5. Night: 0.
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Night, as in evening or late night? Also, how would you compare Milan's public transportation to other European cities of similar populations?
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Night, as in evening or late night? Also, how would you compare Milan's public transportation to other European cities of similar populations?
Milan's transit network becomes sluggish and unreliable after 9pm. Trams and buses will just ignore schedule, subways will have intervals as high as 20 min. There is no late-night service AFAIK.
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Actually it is quite good. The most annoying problems are huge metro intervalls in the evening and the inexistence of a night bus service (which in fact is a joke for a city of 1.3 million or so).
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Old July 4th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #118
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The new administration just announced to start with night service by September (in the week end. I hope forecasting an extension to the other days of the week)
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Old July 4th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #119
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Some pic of M2 viaduct around Cologno Sud and Cologno Centro stations I took 6 years ago or so

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In the whole metro web just M2 got surface and viaduct stretches: from Cimiano to Gessate/Cologno Nord and the new branch from Famagosta to Milanofiori Forum.
Even M4 and M5 projects are completely underground
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Milano soil is quite good for excavations, I think. And it is sit around the area less affected by earthquakes in the country, making construction cheaper.
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