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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:31 AM   #461
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Are there any dedicated budget terminals on any other continent? In Europe and America the budget airlines just used smaller airports in the big cities to avoid the high fees at the major hubs. Smaller European and American cities only have one airport but the budget carriers cut costs in other ways - such as not using the extendable piers (ie you walk or take a shuttle bus between terminal gate and aircraft instead). Asian aviation seems to be so trend-following. Since Osaka Kansai opened the first "new generation" airport in 1994 suddenly all the others had to jump on the bandwagon and get an architectural landmark airport of their own (Hong Kong, Shanghai, Kuala Lumpur, Guangzhou, Bangkok, Beijing etc....). It's like a status symbol or "coming of age" for an Chinese or SE Asian city. The latest fad are these budget terminals. It's no surprise that hyper competitive Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are going to be the first. I get the impression that these two are always looking jealously over the neighbourly fence and trying to steal a march on the other (well KL is jealous of Singapore - perhaps not the reverse - but Singapore has to keep looking over its shoulder to stay one step ahead). Singapore even titled its new terminal "budget terminal" in huge letters - presumably so as not to dilute the more upmarket Changi Airport brand and image. The conclusion is that neither city has really stolen a march if their arch rival is opening one at the same time. Perhaps the only real winner was Bangkok where budget airlines can just continue using the old airport without the need to construct any new facilities at all.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 04:08 AM   #462
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Looking at how dull the building looks, it's not something i would look forward to.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 04:28 AM   #463
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Are there any dedicated budget terminals on any other continent? In Europe and America the budget airlines just used smaller airports in the big cities to avoid the high fees at the major hubs. Smaller European and American cities only have one airport but the budget carriers cut costs in other ways - such as not using the extendable piers (ie you walk or take a shuttle bus between terminal gate and aircraft instead).
Actually in the US, most of our airports are run down and old and cheap, so LCCs can fly most anywhere [fair weather mainly, of course.]

If LAX and JFK were the nice, new international gateways they should be, Southwest and JetBlue wouldn't have such a presence there.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 10:54 AM   #464
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I get the impression that these two are always looking jealously over the neighbourly fence and trying to steal a march on the other (well KL is jealous of Singapore - perhaps not the reverse - but Singapore has to keep looking over its shoulder to stay one step ahead).
lol.. how shallow is yr conclusion...
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Old January 30th, 2006, 01:12 PM   #465
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^ Why shallow? It strikes me as being abundantly true! Are you denying that the two are fierce competitors? Or that KL is trying very hard to catch up with Singapore? If the opening of these two budget terminals, perhaps the only dedicated budget terminals in the world, in neighbouring cities, and within just 20 days of each other, is not evidence of an almost petty level of competitive rivalry, then what is?
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:11 PM   #466
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well it doesnt strike me that KL is being jealous.. y shud we in the first place? it is only appropriate that KL regains some prominence lost before.. no doubt that competitive rivalry will always be there.. but not to a point of being jealous?
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:34 PM   #467
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^ KL seems to copy Singapore and tries to excel in the same areas. And yes, for now at least, the jealousy is more likely to be from Kuala Lumpur towards Singapore. Singapore is richer, better planned, and a more important centre for international business. It's generally a more attractive and successful city. That's not to dismiss KL however. KL has certainly made huge and often succesful strides in a its bid to catch up and is undoubtedly a much more serious competitor to Singapore now than it was 10 years ago. However Singapore remains ahead and, until Kuala Lumpur catches up, it will envy Singapore rather than the reverse. The third competitor is Bangkok which has an advantage of scale over the other two. In terms of traffic volumes Bangkok aviation already exceeds Singapore and Kuala Lumpur even before the new airport opens. However Singapore and Kuala Lumpur definitely have an advantage in terms of urban transport infrastructure and living standards. Bangkok remains a chaotic, messy, ugly metropolis with appalling pollution and traffic congestion. It's a fun town though.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:39 PM   #468
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KL and Singapore...the way it is
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:55 PM   #469
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Back to the point, it does not really matter who opens first, the most important thing is that they can work together to allow cheap flights between the two cites.

However, I feel that they shouldn't have included Singapore in the article, makes it sound too competitive and specific imo, just report its early opening is enough.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:59 PM   #470
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I dun mind competition if it benefits the consumers.....
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Old January 30th, 2006, 04:14 PM   #471
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Back to the point, it does not really matter who opens first, the most important thing is that they can work together to allow cheap flights between the two cites.

However, I feel that they shouldn't have included Singapore in the article, makes it sound too competitive and specific imo, just report its early opening is enough.
But it is competitive! The article is honest journalism.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 07:22 PM   #472
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Mebbe what they meant was 2km away from the main terminal... I think that's the nearest guess...
YUP..

it might be around 1-2km from the main terminal
u can see the main terminal n aiport tower from the progress pic..
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Old January 30th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #473
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If LAX and JFK were the nice, new international gateways they should be, Southwest and JetBlue wouldn't have such a presence there.
southwest doesn't serve JFK and jetblue doesn't serve LAX.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 07:59 PM   #474
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Old January 30th, 2006, 08:25 PM   #475
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southwest doesn't serve JFK and jetblue doesn't serve LAX.
Right, but Southwest does serve LAX and JetBlue JFK, I think I put them in that order...
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Old January 30th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #476
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Are there any renderings of the terminal?
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Old January 31st, 2006, 12:43 AM   #477
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Budget aviation in Asia started in Malaysia with AirAsia. Then others tried to copy that model and catch up to AirAsia. Until now results are mixed, yet AirAsia is still profitable and revenues are growing very quickly!
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Old January 31st, 2006, 04:26 AM   #478
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Are there any renderings of the terminal?
been looking for the renderings for ages...but from my judgement of the terminal..reminds me of a warehouse or a big hypermarket..


does it look like a RM100 million project to u guys?
anyway..cant wait for the terminal to be open..i make sure i'll be there to take the photos of it on the first day..
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Old February 1st, 2006, 09:14 AM   #479
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^ simplicity rules i supposed..
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Old February 1st, 2006, 11:07 AM   #480
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southwest doesn't serve JFK and jetblue doesn't serve LAX.
Jetblue doesnt serve LAX?...i saw Jetblue A320 made emergency landing in LAX in the news
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