What do you think of Australia building a new city?

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

Gladestone is AUstralias fastest growing city.

Yes but from a relatively low base. It's going to take a while to reach a significant size like the southern cities.

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by harveythopre

Yeah but that's still pseudo north, i mean real north - like Darwin

I agree. I think the best chance is Darwin or Townsville. But it would need both state and federal commitment to actively develop these two cities. But they both have the necessary base population and breadth of economies to develop into cities much larger.

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by aussiescraperman

Winter is nice in Brisbane as well, but isn't spring and autumn pleasant in Perth?

Actually Brisbane has a perfect temp range on average for 9 months of the year - its just the 3 super humid summer months that are a struggle imo. The rest is perfect.

[Mornnb]

Originally Posted by harveythopre

Just like the former major colonial centers of Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane were born of (imperial) planning, should we, as an independent middle power of the 21st century, not plan to properly populate our northern half?

Not at the cost of draining population from our largest cities reducing their future potential, I don't think it's worth it. Big cities have more vibrancy, culture, and things to do and see, I would like to see Sydney and Melbourne both reach for 10 million people before we populate the north.

Originally Posted by brianc68

Actually Brisbane has a perfect temp range on average for 9 months of the year - its just the 3 super humid summer months that are a struggle imo. The rest is perfect.

Which matters for the 5 minutes you are between the air conditioned Office building, the air conditioned train, and your air conditioned home.

[JayT]

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

Gladestone is AUstralias fastest growing city.

Gladstone needs SPECIAL help.

It's ideally located in one of the most prosperous regions of Australia. They can’t build houses fast enough for the population that want to live there. Highly paid professionals are living in tents and vans because houses get bought up by big business.

Cut the red tape preventing this town from becoming a major city. I understand its location by the Great Barrier Reef requires special treatment of construction sites and the like but they really need to focus (nationally) on this city as it’s vital, not just to Queensland but to Australia. There are literally 10’s of billions of dollars worth of industrial project in the pipeline for this city and not enough people to fill the jobs. And don’t get me started on all the peripheral jobs such as teachers, nurses and others not directly related to the industrial sector.

[PD]

Originally Posted by aussiescraperman

WA should focus on concentrating it's population around the Swan Coastal Plain and upwards toward Geraldton. It already has great infrastructure, and the future is bright. Connecting the satellite cities of Geraldton, Mandurah, Bunbury, and Busselton is imperative. A high speed rail link would be perfect and somewhat easy to construct, whilst Perth International Airport has plenty of room to expand. I love Perth! Btw, the climate in South Western WA beats anywhere in QLD hands down. Same amount of sunny days minus the humidity.

Mandurah is no longer a satelite city by any measure. It is connected to Perth by suburbia and is actually now officially (by the ABS) considered a part of perth, as it should be.

Originally Posted by brianc68

Ooo, I dunno. Agree about the QLD humidity in summer, but Perth's 40 degrees in summer and freezing and rainy in winter? Ever spent a winter in QLD (especially the north) - hard to beat :-). But to each his own. For me the ideal climate zone runs from coffs harbour to Hervey bay.

40 degrees is not the norm.
But even on our hot days it is not humid and sticky like in QLD or other tropical locations, it is a dry heat.
I love Perth in winter when it is all rainy but is Brisbane not rainy in winter too?

[Dimethyltryptamine]

Winter is our dry season and honestly the time I look most forward to. Crisp, 20-25c days with not a cloud in the sky and perfect visibility.

[swifty78]

Originally Posted by JayT

Gladstone needs SPECIAL help.

It's ideally located in one of the most prosperous regions of Australia. They can’t build houses fast enough for the population that want to live there. Highly paid professionals are living in tents and vans because houses get bought up by big business.

Cut the red tape preventing this town from becoming a major city. I understand its location by the Great Barrier Reef requires special treatuent of construction sites and the like but they really need to focus (nationally) on this city as it’s vital, not just to Queensland but to Australia. There are literally 10’s of billions of dollars worth of industrial project in the pipeline for this city and not enough people to fill the jobs. And don’t get ue started on all the peripheral jobs such as teachers, nurses and others not directly related to the industrial sector.

Grew up and lived there for 20 years and place is a fucking shithole!!! Was up last in Sept 2009 and the place was pretty deserted looking, closes at 5in the arvo and main st on a Friday evening is dead.

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by Dimethyltryptamine

Winter is our dry season and honestly the time I look most forward to. Crisp, 20-25c days with not a cloud in the sky and perfect visibility.

Yes agreed. Winter is the dry season and absolutely beautiful in Brisbane. To each his own, but for me SEQ weather is nicer than Perth overall :-)

[Choko]

Originally Posted by JayT

Gladstone needs SPECIAL help.

It's ideally located in one of the most prosperous regions of Australia. They can’t build houses fast enough for the population that want to live there. Highly paid professionals are living in tents and vans because houses get bought up by big business.

Cut the red tape preventing this town from becoming a major city. I understand its location by the Great Barrier Reef requires special treatment of construction sites and the like but they really need to focus (nationally) on this city as it’s vital, not just to Queensland but to Australia. There are literally 10’s of billions of dollars worth of industrial project in the pipeline for this city and not enough people to fill the jobs. And don’t get me started on all the peripheral jobs such as teachers, nurses and others not directly related to the industrial sector.

Agreed. From an economic and strategic standpoint, I think you'll find more attention will be focused on Gladstone (and surrounds i.e. Boyne/Tannum, Calliope) with the view to develop it as a major industrial city. While some land exists on the southwest fringe of Gladstone, the peripheral towns of Calliope and Boyne/Tannum will also play a role in accommodating new residents.

[ChrisJudd83]

Originally Posted by Mornnb

Not at the cost of draining population from our largest cities reducing their future potential, I don't think it's worth it. Big cities have more vibrancy, culture, and things to do and see, I would like to see Sydney and Melbourne both reach for 10 million people before we populate the north.




Which matters for the 5 minutes you are between the air conditioned Office building, the air conditioned train, and your air conditioned home.

I think there's scope to grow our 4 major cities steadily while growing our regional towns. Mel and syd are our major business centers so there'll always be people moving to those cities which is why I don't think focusing on regional cities will be such a bad thing. I do agree with Darwin and Townsville as the first two logical choices though

[RocStar]

Originally Posted by brianc68

Ooo, I dunno. Agree about the QLD humidity in summer, but Perth's 40 degrees in summer and freezing and rainy in winter? Ever spent a winter in QLD (especially the north) - hard to beat :-). But to each his own. For me the ideal climate zone runs from coffs harbour to Hervey bay.

Originally Posted by aussiescraperman

Winter is nice in Brisbane as well, but isn't spring and autumn pleasant in Perth?

Perth may have some scorcher days during summer, we may even have some freezing nights in winter but the rest of the time, it's perfect weather. Blue sky overload, even in winter.. not to mention, no to low humidity throughout the year. . And really, WA is the real SunShine State o.O

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by ChrisJudd83

I think there's scope to grow our 4 major cities steadily while growing our regional towns. Mel and syd are our major business centers so there'll always be people moving to those cities which is why I don't think focusing on regional cities will be such a bad thing. I do agree with Darwin and Townsville as the first two logical choices though

Yes, I agree. Growth will continue in the 4 largest cities, even if we actively promoted more growth in Darwin and Townsville. The regional cities come from a much lower base so It's not an 'either/or' situation.

[aussiescraperman]

Originally Posted by PD

Mandurah is no longer a satelite city by any measure. It is connected to Perth by suburbia and is actually now officially (by the ABS) considered a part of perth, as it should be.





40 degrees is not the norm.
But even on our hot days it is not humid and sticky like in QLD or other tropical locations, it is a dry heat.
I love Perth in winter when it is all rainy but is Brisbane not rainy in winter too?

I presumed Mandurah had been included, but couldn't find confirmation of it anywhere. Could you link me to the article stating it? I'm sure we discussed it on SSC a few weeks ago.

[RallyOz19]

Originally Posted by PD

Mandurah is no longer a satelite city by any measure. It is connected to Perth by suburbia and is actually now officially (by the ABS) considered a part of perth, as it should be.

NO. The connection between Mandurah and Rockingham is barely 500m wide and even Rockingham isn't properly connected with the main Perth urban area.

The ABS classification now includes Mandurah as part of the Perth statistical division but not the continuous urban area. As the boundaries of our cities become less clear we need to pay closer attention to these distinctions. Mandurah is a separate city within the same Metro area, satellite city is a perfect description for that situation.

Bunbury and Busselton are too far away to be considered satellites and Geraldton is much too far away.

[Arreis]

Originally Posted by swifty78

Grew up and lived there for 20 years and place is a fucking shithole!!! Was up last in Sept 2009 and the place was pretty deserted looking, closes at 5in the arvo and main st on a Friday evening is dead.

i have to say i agree. Last year i was driving up to Rockhampton and decided to pull off the highway to see Australias fastest growing area. It was quite disappointing.
The landscape is flat and scrubby and there was no one in the CBD at 3pm on a weekday. Maybe everyone was busy working.
Tannum is nice, though.

[harveythopre]

Originally Posted by Mornnb

Not at the cost of draining population from our largest cities reducing their future potential, I don't think it's worth it. Big cities have more vibrancy, culture, and things to do and see, I would like to see Sydney and Melbourne both reach for 10 million people before we populate the north.

Building new cities in the north doesn't mean we need to siphon off population from the established cities. Just lift the immigration rate from the current paltry 190,000 a year to 300,000 a year and restrict a portion of them to live in certain areas - this is already a common practice.
But needs huge government backing.

[harveythopre]

Building new cities should be one of Australia's top priorities IMHO.

While we're at it:
- become a republic
- change the flag (but dunno what to)
- double immigration from 190k to 380k
- lift birth rates
- acquire a bunch of nuclear subs

Who agrees??

[brianc68]

Originally Posted by harveythopre

Building new cities should be one of Australia's top priorities IMHO.

While we're at it:
- become a republic
- change the flag (but dunno what to)
- double immigration from 190k to 380k
- lift birth rates
- acquire a bunch of nuclear subs

Who agrees??

I agree about the new cities (or expand existing ones like Townsville and Darwin), the republic, and the flag :-)

[PD]

Originally Posted by RallyOz19

NO. The connection between Mandurah and Rockingham is barely 500m wide and even Rockingham isn't properly connected with the main Perth urban area.

Haha what's with the 'NO'? Am I your disobedient child?

Yeah it is only about 1km wide at some point. Perth grows in a long, long strip up the Western Coast so I dont see this style of suburban growth changing in the near future. However it is still connected, are there set rules for how these things work or is it just your opinion. I actually dont know so im just asking.

Originally Posted by RallyOz19

The ABS classification now includes Mandurah as part of the Perth statistical division but not the continuous urban area. As the boundaries of our cities become less clear we need to pay closer attention to these distinctions. Mandurah is a separate city within the same Metro area, satellite city is a perfect description for that situation.

Bunbury and Busselton are too far away to be considered satellites and Geraldton is much too far away.

Ok thanks for letting me know about statistical divisions vs continuous urban areas, didnt know the ABS made those distinctions.

But about your point about Rockingham not being 'properly' connected, Rockingham/Baldivis is connected to Kwinana and it is Kwinana that is not properly connected to Cockburn. But it will never be able to be connected 'properly' due to Beeliar Regional Parklands, Kwinana Motorplex, Henderson Shipyards, Alcoa Tailing Ponds, Franklin Sands, Rubbish Tip, Concrete Factory, 2 Wastewater treatment plants and all the other heavy industry etc etc

This area is never going to turn into suburbia, Im surprised already at how many ppl would already choose to live around here, it has to have perth's cheaperst property values by a long shot. I wouldnt even want to drink the wine from the orchards around here. However all these things that are 'disconnecting' suburbia from suburbia are still a connection in themselves are they not.

All our cities have areas that are not 'properly' connected by your standards, to cut off Kwinana, Baldivis and Rockingham from Perth is a big call and raises questions about all our cities and their urban areas.