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Old January 8th, 2015, 01:21 AM   #21
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Old January 8th, 2015, 06:47 AM   #22
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Are there new undergroundstations planned?
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Old January 8th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #23
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Are there new undergroundstations planned?
There are plans of new lines to Tonawanda and Amherst, but nothing is in progress. This is the map around 1980s:

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Old January 8th, 2015, 11:55 PM   #24
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Keep in mind Buffalo has been in a sort of permanent recession since the 1980's and the city of Buffalo has actually lost population while the metro area has sort of stagnated. So any proposed light rail line and/or extension is unlikely to be built for now.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #25
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Keep in mind Buffalo has been in a sort of permanent recession since the 1980's and the city of Buffalo has actually lost population while the metro area has sort of stagnated. So any proposed light rail line and/or extension is unlikely to be built for now.
actually the NFTA is currently studying a 7 mile extension to UB North and the Crosspoint business park. The results of the study are due in June 2015. The recession days of the 80s are history Erie County has had population growth so far this decade according to the U.S. Census Bureau. There is currently $16+ billion in construction in the metro area and
the region has long since recovered all of the jobs lost during the 2009 recession lost
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:58 PM   #26
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actually the NFTA is currently studying a 7 mile extension to UB North and the Crosspoint business park. The results of the study are due in June 2015. The recession days of the 80s are history Erie County has had population growth so far this decade according to the U.S. Census Bureau. There is currently $16+ billion in construction in the metro area and
the region has long since recovered all of the jobs lost during the 2009 recession lost
Erie County went from 919,040 at Census 2010 to 919,866 in July 2013 (per latest estimates). There is growth, but it is miniscule. Population of Buffalo continues to decrease (from 261,310 in Census 2010 to 258,959 in July 2013).

Is there really a critical mass of jobs and residences in far northern reaches of Buffalo to support an extension of the rail?
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:57 AM   #27
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Yes there is.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #28
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Is there really a critical mass of jobs and residences in far northern reaches of Buffalo to support an extension of the rail?
Ah, it's coming back to me now... The original concept was for the line to connect downtown to both SUNY campuses, and also to the British-style new town of Audobon, which was being developed by NY's state Urban Development Corporation. How very seventies! That's why the last station on the (very early and misleading) map above is named "UDC Community Center."

I found this webpage about the original concept, c 1973. Note that it calls for six car trains, which would've precluded on-street service: the system was to be heavy rail.

Unsurprisingly, fiscal and demographic reality intervened and the project was downscoped to a much shorter light rail line connecting to only one of the two SUNY campuses. From the abovementioned webpage, here's a 1985 brochure illustrating the line that got built, showing the unusual approach of tunneling the outer reaches while having street running downtown.



To me, it's not too surprising that there'd be some nostalgia for the old scheme. But it is surprising that it would make it to the point of actually being analyzed.

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Well since 1980 the population along the route from UB south to Crosspoint has increased by over 15K people. Indeed the overall population of Amherst has increased from 90,734 in the 1970s when the Metro was first proposed to 123.252 today. That's a 36% population increase along with major traffic increase
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New Metro Station Construction is Under Way:

The station serves about 2,700 passengers daily, but Medical Campus officials project that ridership will grow significantly as employment there grows to levels approaching 20,000. New housing also has been sprouting around Metro Rail stations, with city officials attributing much of that growth to Medical Campus workers seeking a true urban lifestyle that does not require cars.

The new station also will feature a concession area – a first for the Metro Rail system that George envisions as a “grab and go” food service and newsstand – or possibly something more elaborate.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...month-20150112
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:11 AM   #31
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There is an underground section of light rail in Buffalo? Always learn something new...
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And, what's more - it's the part that's not downtown, and it's also a deep tunnel (not cut-and-cover) - all this in the heart of the Rust Belt.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #34
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There is an underground section of light rail in Buffalo? Always learn something new...
About 5.5 miles of the LRT is underground.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 05:19 PM   #35
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More news on the current metro rail expansion study

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...ridor-20150113
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Old January 20th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #36
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Ohh so this is a LR? I always thought this was a subway.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 12:58 AM   #37
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Ohh so this is a LR? I always thought this was a subway.
It is a light rail subway, They run trains up to four cars long. 1 mile above ground and 5,5 miles underground powered by an overhead electrical system as opposed to a third rail.
They are currently half way through a two year study of a 7 mile extension to the rapidly growing suburb of Amherst
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Now why the hell is the one mile above ground the one through Downtown? That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. (excuse me but I just cant comprehend the stupidity of spending billions for an underground line, only to keep it above ground where it is most important for it to be below).
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Probably since downtowns tend to have the highest station density and underground stations tend to be the most expensive part of a subway, and also since the speed isn't going to be as high downtown due to the greater number of stops anyway, so it isn't as important to have it totally grade separated. Plus tunneling tends to be more difficult and disruptive when there are a lot of buildings (especially old ones) up above.

But yes I definitely looked askance at the layout as well. Quite unusual.
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Now why the hell is the one mile above ground the one through Downtown? That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. (excuse me but I just cant comprehend the stupidity of spending billions for an underground line, only to keep it above ground where it is most important for it to be below).
The mile downtown is above ground because it was designed as a part of a pedestrian/ transit mall. Also to cut construction costs after it was decided to put the outlying sections underground. Those sections were put underground because of protests from neighborhood groups called NOT for No Overhead Transit. They threatened lawsuits unless the trains were buried in their neighborhood. Btw the system did not cost billions. Just $450 million
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