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Old October 29th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #101
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The only one that actually comes close to meeting federal funding requirements is the Amherst extension
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Old October 29th, 2015, 05:56 PM   #102
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The only one that actually comes close to meeting federal funding requirements is the Amherst extension
Maybe if the state got more than 91Ę back per the dollar, some of these other ones would be feasible.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #103
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The Tonowanda line has a good chance as well. The right of way is already in place.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 01:57 AM   #104
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The Tonowanda line has a good chance as well. The right of way is already in place.
Unfortunately the NFTA divested some of that ROW about 2 years ago. That and the rapidly decreasing population of the Town of Tonawanda seem to doom that extension for the foreseeable future
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Why is the population decreasing?
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 05:56 AM   #106
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Why is the population decreasing?

Because more people are moving out of it than into it
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 06:11 AM   #107
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maybe it just happens to be right in the middle of the Rustbelt (elephant in the room)
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 01:38 PM   #108
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maybe it just happens to be right in the middle of the Rustbelt (elephant in the room)

Actually it is probably because it is an inner ring suburb with mostly small outdated tract homes built in the 1950's
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Actually it is probably because it is an inner ring suburb with mostly small outdated tract homes built in the 1950's
It is also on the edge of Metropolitan Buffalo, meaning that they actually haven't built much new in the Urban area since the 50s (talk about going downhill).
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 04:48 AM   #110
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It is also on the edge of Metropolitan Buffalo, meaning that they actually haven't built much new in the Urban area since the 50s (talk about going downhill).
Lol good one, nice troll attempt but still a fail. You obviously know nothing about the area. And rustbelt really? Really? That is so 80's of you.

FWIW the next town over, Amherst, has seen its population explode from 40,000 in 1960 to about 130,000 today and contains the main campus of a University with 30,000 students that was built in the 1970's

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To Be fair, I was somewhat joking (and I prefer the rust-belt, or the Northeast any-day over some suburban sunbelt hell).

Furthermore, I also know that while the rust-belt overall is still in some kind of slump, that some older cities, such as Pittsburgh, and Buffalo have seen a massive surge in the creative class (a hopeful sign). Anyway, I would actually be quite happy if this became some kind of turn-around sign.

Plus, If this is any better

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I know what he's trying to say though.

Most cities that are Buffalo's size have major hubs of activity and employment in their suburbs. Take Albuquerque for example, it is quite a bit smaller than Buffalo even, but there, there are a lot of more built up suburban satellite areas with apartments and office towers and shopping areas. Except for a few small areas, I am not sure if Buffalo really has any of that, does it? Looking at Google Maps, beyond the city there's just a thinned out ring of 1950's era housing developments mixed with new McMansions. Low rise, low density, a mall here and there.

This is actually a huge advantage for Buffalo. Suppose its economy returns to health. The city and downtown will have a monopoly when it comes to being the region's employment and cultural center.

What this means for transit of course is that besides a rail extension to Amherst maybe there just is not really any great need for significant transit service beyond the city? Just focus on good quality bus service and maintain the rail line that the city is so fortunate to even have.
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I know what he's trying to say though.

Most cities that are Buffalo's size have major hubs of activity and employment in their suburbs. Take Albuquerque for example, it is quite a bit smaller than Buffalo even, but there, there are a lot of more built up suburban satellite areas with apartments and office towers and shopping areas. Except for a few small areas, I am not sure if Buffalo really has any of that, does it? Looking at Google Maps, beyond the city there's just a thinned out ring of 1950's era housing developments mixed with new McMansions. Low rise, low density, a mall here and there.

This is actually a huge advantage for Buffalo. Suppose its economy returns to health. The city and downtown will have a monopoly when it comes to being the region's employment and cultural center.

What this means for transit of course is that besides a rail extension to Amherst maybe there just is not really any great need for significant transit service beyond the city? Just focus on good quality bus service and maintain the rail line that the city is so fortunate to even have.

What he is saying does not jive with the facts. The proposed Amherst LRT corridor has seen explosive growth in traffic, population and economic activity over the past decade. The University has surpassed 30,000 students up from 23,000 in 2003 and has over 7,000 employees. Just to the north of the University is the Cross Point business park which was built over the past 10 years. The business park is the home to major facilities for Bank of America, M&T Bank, Citi, Geico and several others. Total employment within this one office park alone is in excess of 10,000 employees. Those facts along with the additional 2,000+ housing units erected along the transit corridor over the past 8 years are why the NFTA is now seriously studying the LRRT extension connecting the largest and fourth largest municipalities in Upstate NY.

In regards to your suggestion about downtown's monopoly on employment. That statement reflects a lack of knowledge about Metro Buffalo. Currently only 18% of the metro areas jobs are within the City of Buffalo and only 8% are within the CBD.

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I know what he's trying to say though.

Most cities that are Buffalo's size have major hubs of activity and employment in their suburbs. Take Albuquerque for example, it is quite a bit smaller than Buffalo even, but there, there are a lot of more built up suburban satellite areas with apartments and office towers and shopping areas. Except for a few small areas, I am not sure if Buffalo really has any of that, does it? Looking at Google Maps, beyond the city there's just a thinned out ring of 1950's era housing developments mixed with new McMansions. Low rise, low density, a mall here and there.

This is actually a huge advantage for Buffalo. Suppose its economy returns to health. The city and downtown will have a monopoly when it comes to being the region's employment and cultural center.

What this means for transit of course is that besides a rail extension to Amherst maybe there just is not really any great need for significant transit service beyond the city? Just focus on good quality bus service and maintain the rail line that the city is so fortunate to even have.
My guess is that ABQ has big suburban "clusters," almost like the Dunn-Loring/Merrifield/Tysons Corner area of Virginia. For worse or better in Buffalo, our suburbs are spread out wide but we have a denser city; there are a select few buildings over 10 stories in the suburbs, and I can count them on one hand. None over 15.

I personally think a beltway expressway would have put a natural cap to this crazy sprawl in Lancaster but that will not happen.
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Q2 APTA Ridership numbers http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf

Light Rail : 18,500 : 34.23% +
Bus Ridership : 70,000 : -4.54%
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I look at the Metro Rail in those page 1 photos and think of other systems conceived around that time like the WMATA (which I posted photos of in another thread), I think that even for the 80's this Metro Rail system isn't aesthetically pleasing and is functionally obsolete, like many other projects that have been done in the Buffalo area.

You will see what I mean when I direct you to this Forgotten Buffalo post and show some photos below. What is a subterranean line past Tupper St. and surface line to the Inner Harbor was supposed to be all-underground heavy rail, but because of the water table (which I'm sure through engineering techniques can be overcome) and typical NIMBYism of suburban Buffalonians, the project was stymied.

My gut tells me that even if Buffalo's population increased, heavy rail using the existing tunnels would not be a possibility. But if we can't build highways in the city, why not try it?

http://www.forgottenbuffalo.com/forg...orail1973.html






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Hey light rail numbers went up.

I guess they stemmed the decay, huh?

Or was it because they closed some stations and were doing work on the system the last quarter and this is just the system going back to its normal?
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Hey light rail numbers went up.

I guess they stemmed the decay, huh?

Or was it because they closed some stations and were doing work on the system the last quarter and this is just the system going back to its normal?
Increase in downtown population, Increase in downtown jobs, increase in downtown events/concerts/Canalside.
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Buffalo could use a streetcar system. It's mind boggling when you realize Buffalo has severely regressed in public transportation when you look at how many streetcar lines they once had.



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My God that looks like Dupont Circle! Amazing!!!
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