North Lot Development - Page 5

LCIII · November 1st, 2011, 04:32 AM

The DC one did have produce. It just didn't seem to be people's first choice for groceries and rather just a convenience thing because they were already there.

k2000k · November 16th, 2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Linguist

Why haven't we seen a Safeway or QFC open downtown? That's what I want to know. Imagine being able to live downtown and actually walk to the store to get medicine, diapers, or tampons at 3 o'clock in the morning. Like in a real city.

Probably because Safeway and QFC feel that there isn't enough potential shoppers in the area to warrant one. It's sort of a chicken and the egg thing you know? No one wants to live in an area without a grocery store but no grocery store wants to locate in an area where few people live. I know a bunch of the residents in Pioneer Square are hoping that the project will include a grocery store. But it really isn't up to the developer, sure they can build a space large enough to hold a store, but I have a feeling that the developers would want some sort of verbal promise to move into the space from some sort of grocer before making that sort of investment.

mhays · November 17th, 2011, 03:55 AM

If no other stores were nearby, it might be a good location for one. But the IGA Kress, the Pike Place Market, Uwajimaya, and at least one place in PS that's larger than a corner store all take some of its potential market share. It's similar to Belltown in that regard, except Belltown has way more residents. A major supermarket (Metropolitan Market is the best) would be nice to have and fill a gap, but it's not a big enough gap.

Rogue Linguist · November 17th, 2011, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mhays

If no other stores were nearby, it might be a good location for one. But the IGA Kress, the Pike Place Market, Uwajimaya, and at least one place in PS that's larger than a corner store all take some of its potential market share. It's similar to Belltown in that regard, except Belltown has way more residents. A major supermarket (Metropolitan Market is the best) would be nice to have and fill a gap, but it's not a big enough gap.

Oh so you're saying that those three stores basically fill the gap downtown? Maybe, but none of them is open 24 hours. And there are tens of thousands of people served by these stores. Seems kind of unfair. Oh, well.

mhays · November 17th, 2011, 05:20 AM

There's still a gap, but not enough of one.

Capitol Hill · November 17th, 2011, 07:10 AM

How big of a draw is a 24 hr. grocer? I live 2 blocks from the Broadway Market, and I don't think I've ever been there during off hours. Quite honestly, I wish grocers were closed on holidays, but that may be the beginnings of curmudgeondom.

Ruffhauser · November 17th, 2011, 07:29 PM

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Quite honestly, I wish grocers were closed on holidays, but that may be the beginnings of curmudgeondom.

I don't get this. How come?

Capitol Hill · November 18th, 2011, 01:42 AM

I just feel that we aren't being fair to the employees of these stores. We forgot the cranberry sauce or didn't get enough wine? Tough, we should have planned better. Trust me, I have a job that I have to work on a holiday, its tough, but I knew that going in. Shopping can be stopped for a few, select 24 hr. periods during the year. I can remember when grocery stores were closed on Sundays and we got along fine. I don't expect most of you to agree with me, nor am I trying to convince anybody to see things my way, I just think that the holidays should be spent with your loved ones, not selling me something.

k2000k · November 19th, 2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

How big of a draw is a 24 hr. grocer? I live 2 blocks from the Broadway Market, and I don't think I've ever been there during off hours. Quite honestly, I wish grocers were closed on holidays, but that may be the beginnings of curmudgeondom.

That's a good question. I've been in 24 hour groceries late at night all over Seattle or the eastside and I can't recall there ever being more than a couple people. Sometimes it was just me. I wonder if grocers simply offer the service knowing they will loss money during that time frame but afraid of the potential long term customer loss if they didn't offer 24 hours but a rival did.

LCIII · November 19th, 2011, 01:13 AM

Any news actually pertinent to this project?

CrazyAboutCities · November 19th, 2011, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

I just feel that we aren't being fair to the employees of these stores. We forgot the cranberry sauce or didn't get enough wine? Tough, we should have planned better. Trust me, I have a job that I have to work on a holiday, its tough, but I knew that going in. Shopping can be stopped for a few, select 24 hr. periods during the year. I can remember when grocery stores were closed on Sundays and we got along fine. I don't expect most of you to agree with me, nor am I trying to convince anybody to see things my way, I just think that the holidays should be spent with your loved ones, not selling me something.

I hear ya. Keep that in mind, there are some people are not celebrating holidays or don't mind to work on holidays because some places pay more for working on holidays. Few friends of mine who work in retail told me that they will get paid twice by working on Thanksgiving nights. They don't complain about it.

Rogue Linguist · November 19th, 2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

How big of a draw is a 24 hr. grocer? I live 2 blocks from the Broadway Market, and I don't think I've ever been there during off hours. Quite honestly, I wish grocers were closed on holidays, but that may be the beginnings of curmudgeondom.

If they're a big enough draw for, say, Factoria, I wager they're a big enough draw for downtown.

Rogue Linguist · November 19th, 2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

I just feel that we aren't being fair to the employees of these stores. We forgot the cranberry sauce or didn't get enough wine? Tough, we should have planned better. Trust me, I have a job that I have to work on a holiday, its tough, but I knew that going in. Shopping can be stopped for a few, select 24 hr. periods during the year. I can remember when grocery stores were closed on Sundays and we got along fine. I don't expect most of you to agree with me, nor am I trying to convince anybody to see things my way, I just think that the holidays should be spent with your loved ones, not selling me something.

Well, some people want to work on holidays because they get paid over-time, and they don't really care about holidays.

Capitol Hill · November 19th, 2011, 06:56 PM

Again, as I said, I'm not trying to convince anybody to change their minds, I was simply answering the question of why I felt the way I did about shopping on holidays or 24 hour openings.

Ginkgo · December 7th, 2011, 06:57 AM

OMG. Game changer indeed!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...orthlot07.html

CrazyAboutCities · December 7th, 2011, 07:00 AM

WOW! I like it!

bgwah · December 7th, 2011, 07:35 AM

ooh, I actually like it! Looks like they scaled it down from 700 units to 500, though.

zappa · December 7th, 2011, 07:48 AM

Hopefully the preservation board will consider the impact of having a signature tower like this drawing in urban buyers attracted to the design/destination allure as opposed to whether everything has to 'fit in' with what is already there. A bland box which has no architectural draw is unlikely to draw the buyers/renters Pioneer Square needs to revitalize the neighborhood.

LCIII · December 7th, 2011, 08:13 AM

Wow! Amazing! I do hope they allow this and add this beauty to our skyline! How awesome!

seveneleven · December 7th, 2011, 08:24 AM

http://www.northlotdevelopment.com/overview.html

November 17th, 2011, 07:10 AM	#86
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,542 Likes (Received): 196	How big of a draw is a 24 hr. grocer? I live 2 blocks from the Broadway Market, and I don't think I've ever been there during off hours. Quite honestly, I wish grocers were closed on holidays, but that may be the beginnings of curmudgeondom. __________________ I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.

November 18th, 2011, 01:42 AM	#88
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,542 Likes (Received): 196	I just feel that we aren't being fair to the employees of these stores. We forgot the cranberry sauce or didn't get enough wine? Tough, we should have planned better. Trust me, I have a job that I have to work on a holiday, its tough, but I knew that going in. Shopping can be stopped for a few, select 24 hr. periods during the year. I can remember when grocery stores were closed on Sundays and we got along fine. I don't expect most of you to agree with me, nor am I trying to convince anybody to see things my way, I just think that the holidays should be spent with your loved ones, not selling me something. __________________ I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.

November 19th, 2011, 06:56 PM	#94
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,542 Likes (Received): 196	Again, as I said, I'm not trying to convince anybody to change their minds, I was simply answering the question of why I felt the way I did about shopping on holidays or 24 hour openings. __________________ I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.

December 7th, 2011, 06:57 AM	#95
Ginkgo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 396 Likes (Received): 71	OMG. Game changer indeed! http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...orthlot07.html __________________ Big Green Chauvanist

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November 1st, 2011, 04:32 AM	#81
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,888 Likes (Received): 66	The DC one did have produce. It just didn't seem to be people's first choice for groceries and rather just a convenience thing because they were already there.

November 17th, 2011, 03:55 AM	#83
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,470 Likes (Received): 125	If no other stores were nearby, it might be a good location for one. But the IGA Kress, the Pike Place Market, Uwajimaya, and at least one place in PS that's larger than a corner store all take some of its potential market share. It's similar to Belltown in that regard, except Belltown has way more residents. A major supermarket (Metropolitan Market is the best) would be nice to have and fill a gap, but it's not a big enough gap.

November 17th, 2011, 05:20 AM	#85
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,470 Likes (Received): 125	There's still a gap, but not enough of one.

November 19th, 2011, 01:13 AM	#90
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,888 Likes (Received): 66	Any news actually pertinent to this project?

December 7th, 2011, 07:00 AM	#96
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,348 Likes (Received): 25	WOW! I like it!

December 7th, 2011, 07:35 AM	#97
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,778 Likes (Received): 81	ooh, I actually like it! Looks like they scaled it down from 700 units to 500, though.

December 7th, 2011, 07:48 AM	#98
zappa Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 5	Hopefully the preservation board will consider the impact of having a signature tower like this drawing in urban buyers attracted to the design/destination allure as opposed to whether everything has to 'fit in' with what is already there. A bland box which has no architectural draw is unlikely to draw the buyers/renters Pioneer Square needs to revitalize the neighborhood.

December 7th, 2011, 08:13 AM	#99
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,888 Likes (Received): 66	Wow! Amazing! I do hope they allow this and add this beauty to our skyline! How awesome!

December 7th, 2011, 08:24 AM	#100
seveneleven Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1 Likes (Received): 0	http://www.northlotdevelopment.com/overview.html