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Old July 13th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #941
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Why can't ministers come up with simple ideas for beautification?

Class 8 pass out minister der ghote er theke r ki asbe? Even if engineers would come up with some fresh new ideas, then also those illiterate ministers would scold them & would try to implement their odd ideas (as their ego is concerned).

Delhi te choto rasta gulo te median er upor tub e gach lagano ache. kenona choto median e fencing ato ta bhalo lage na. Setao to kora jay.

Abbaso kolkata te ota korle du din bade dekha jabe, sei tub gulo bikri hoye geche, r lokera or moddhey diyei road cross korche (jar jonney tub gulo dure soriea deoa hoyeache).

Anyway what ever good is being done, do we have any proper plan for maintaining the good work? Govt. should strictly maintain these beauty with the help of local police, i think.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #942
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Class 8 pass out minister der ghote er theke r ki asbe? Even if engineers would come up with some fresh new ideas, then also those illiterate ministers would scold them & would try to implement their odd ideas (as their ego is concerned).

Delhi te choto rasta gulo te median er upor tub e gach lagano ache. kenona choto median e fencing ato ta bhalo lage na. Setao to kora jay.

Abbaso kolkata te ota korle du din bade dekha jabe, sei tub gulo bikri hoye geche, r lokera or moddhey diyei road cross korche (jar jonney tub gulo dure soriea deoa hoyeache).

Anyway what ever good is being done, do we have any proper plan for maintaining the good work? Govt. should strictly maintain these beauty with the help of local police, i think.
Aren't there greater priorities than beautifying a few roads here and there? Like having usable pavements, flyovers at busy intersections, pothole free roads, safe and comfortable bus services, good govt hospitals, 24x7 electricity, upgrading government schools, and a whole host of other things?
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Old July 13th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #943
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Aren't there greater priorities than beautifying a few roads here and there? Like having usable pavements, flyovers at busy intersections, pothole free roads, safe and comfortable bus services, good govt hospitals, 24x7 electricity, upgrading government schools, and a whole host of other things?
This is something where Kolkata is much better than most other cities in India. From the hours of load-shedding in the 90s, Kolkata now gets almost 24x7 electricity.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #944
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kolkata gets 24X7 electricity, no almost.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #945
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Aren't there greater priorities than beautifying a few roads here and there? Like having usable pavements, flyovers at busy intersections, pothole free roads, safe and comfortable bus services, good govt hospitals, 24x7 electricity, upgrading government schools, and a whole host of other things?
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #946
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Another mode of beautification would be to set up small fenced gardens under the elevated Metro lines. This will not only keep encroachments at bay, but also give a major boost to beautification as well as greenery. Why can't ministers come up with simple ideas for beautification?
Part of the reason could be the only completed elevated track for metro is between Tollygunj and New Garia, and most part of it runs over the tolly nullah
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Old July 14th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #947
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Class 8 pass out minister der ghote er theke r ki asbe? Even if engineers would come up with some fresh new ideas, then also those illiterate ministers would scold them & would try to implement their odd ideas (as their ego is concerned).

Delhi te choto rasta gulo te median er upor tub e gach lagano ache. kenona choto median e fencing ato ta bhalo lage na. Setao to kora jay.

Abbaso kolkata te ota korle du din bade dekha jabe, sei tub gulo bikri hoye geche, r lokera or moddhey diyei road cross korche (jar jonney tub gulo dure soriea deoa hoyeache).

Anyway what ever good is being done, do we have any proper plan for maintaining the good work? Govt. should strictly maintain these beauty with the help of local police, i think.
in WB what we found in these long years that" Govt. can never become strict for maintaining anything - from beautiful city to law & order"....not even KMC,KMDA & Local Municipal Corporations will be able to take their action seriously....SO, Group of selected civilians from the local area,from age group 14-70 should be given enough authorities to maintain cleanliness,beauty etc., alongwith Police.This should be the MANDATORY DUTY of civilians(whether employed professionals,coporate executives,students,retired persons,housewives etc.)
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Old July 14th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #948
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This pic was taken last year. The only difference is that the color combo is now blue & white. Saplings have grown bigger as well.
Sarat Bose Road, near Deshapriya Park


This was taken last month.
J L nehru Road, near Nehru Museum.


My referance is only meant for median divider beautification. As per the discussions & someone pointing out that Delhi roads which are comparatively narrower have medians with flower pots on them. I believe this a much better option both aesthetic & maintenance wise. These kind of medians are dotting the city; you cannot cross them at will from anywhere other than the separators (as they are too high), they have a continuous patch of greenery which will not be dislodged by any means, they don't require railings or iron meshes to guard them.

Large parts of the city is being converted to these types gradually in a phased manner. J L Nehru Rd - S P Mukherjee Rd (from Park Street to Hazra Xing), Almost entire stretch of S B Rd, PAS Rd, R B Connector, Judges Court Rd & several others are transformed/being transformed. Many more roads will follow. The 60ft wide boulevard of Southern Avenue is getting a makeover in the entire 3 km stretch which will be a treat to the eyes once fully complete along with the sidewalk beautification. Anyone present in Kol can take a walk there to find out. The wide median of VIP Road looks very lush & green & is well covered by railings. The pavements & sidewalks of 2.5 km Alipore Road, from Taj Bengal to Burdwan Rd Xing (which doesn't have a median) is worth taking a look. I dunno if somebody has seen it in recent times as it seems to be the cleanest stretch in Kol.

The point made here is that not everything done here is hopeless or faulty as some of the forumers might feel.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #949
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The older coloring also looked good. Today I heard somebody saying that Didi got majorly inspired by the Argentina colors after Messi visited the city last year and started painting everything in blue and white
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Old July 14th, 2012, 07:20 PM   #950
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The fact that something is being tried out by Didi to beautify the city is worth praise. Every project will have pros and cons no matter how well planned they are. The CPM debated over pros and cons for three decades whether beautification was a waste of money and never got anything done. Since TMC has no such debates as only Didi decides (which is good because I don't want Madan Mitra to decide anything) so at least something is happening. The city can learn from mistakes. Or it can decide to do nothing in fear of making mistakes.
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The fact that something is being tried out by Didi to beautify the city is worth praise. Every project will have pros and cons no matter how well planned they are. The CPM debated over pros and cons for three decades whether beautification was a waste of money and never got anything done. Since TMC has no such debates as only Didi decides (which is good because I don't want Madan Mitra to decide anything) so at least something is happening. The city can learn from mistakes. Or it can decide to do nothing in fear of making mistakes.
Point well taken Suncity. But I guess we discussed this earlier as well - the fund spent on repainting the dividers or the trishul lights could have well spent on some more glaring issues like hawker rehab, regular clearance of the vats, stray dog control and enforcing the danda for people indulging in public nuisance - that would have been far more effective in beautifying Kolkata. I also appreciated the initiative of beautification and hail Didi for that. But action is good as long as there is some sense of sensibility and priorities - that was my only point.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #952
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The older coloring also looked good. Today I heard somebody saying that Didi got majorly inspired by the Argentina colors after Messi visited the city last year and started painting everything in blue and white
Yes, the older colouring looks more soothing to eyes.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 06:01 PM   #953
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ĎIf thereís a legacy... and a tradition of thinking... then for godís sake do something with it nowí

I didn't know where to post this, and thought this might be the most appropriate thread -- although this is much more than"beautification".

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ĎIf thereís a legacy... and a tradition of thinking... then for godís sake do something with it nowí
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AMIT CHAUDHURI GOES OUT ON A LIMB TO HIGHLIGHT THE THREAT TO THE ENTIRE ARCHITECTURAL ETHOS OF THE CITY

What upsets you the most about the cityís changing landscape?

My main concern is not just about listed buildings. My concern is with the entire architectural ethos of the city because of many things Iíve seen in the last five years. The manner in which the architectural character of neighbourhoods is systematically being destroyed is tragic. Buildings here have a unique heterogeneity of styles which is peculiar to Calcutta. This idea of architectural ethos of say, Padmapukur, Bakulbagan, Kidderpore, Bhowanipore or north Calcutta cannot be reduced to a single idea of an architectural style and certainly cannot be reduced to the notion of colonial architecture.

When people think of Calcutta, they immediately think of colonial buildings, some of which are listed, but what is unique about Calcutta is not just what we see in Chowringhee or Central Avenue but the amazing houses in which people have lived that came up in the 1920s. In any other city in the world that has this style of houses, whether itís a city in Europe or even Latin America, they would be working hard to see to it that the ethos remains. We have become inured to that ethos and donít notice its uniqueness; or maybe we suffer from self-loathing. Perhaps I can view it without indifference or suspicion because I grew up in Bombay, and am an outsider. But I donít think the solution is to sentimentalise the problem, which is what a film like Bhooter Bhobishyot has done.

Is Ďheritageí a bad word to use in Calcutta today?

The notion of heritage is always looked upon with suspicion by members of the intelligentsia because it is supposed to provoke a sense of nostalgia for the past in a static way. That is heritage at its worst. I donít want my concern to be confused with a form of nostalgia for a bygone Calcutta. That sense of heritage can end up having weird results ó for instance, recreating the past after it has been destroyed. In recreating heritage , lots of architects in western cities build new buildings to look like old ones. Think of the fake Georgian houses in England. This in fact is happening in China, with its new hutongs. A kind of fake heritage that I hope we donít end up with here in Calcutta. That is, having destroyed all our distinctive architecture, coming up with kitsch versions of the old architecture.

Secondly, even as a working concept, the concept of heritage doesnít seem to work very well in Calcutta. The public has no clear idea of which the heritage buildings are and we donít know what is being done to protect them. For instance, if the Metro (cinema) is a listed building, then why will it seemingly be so easy to destroy the structure, leaving only the faÁade?

What do our heritage commissions do? What is their task? The heritage commission needs to work in concurrence with the government to have some policy on what to do with these listed buildings. Destroying them has been easy enough with the economic argument in mind. But as long as they are viable structures and listed because they are architecturally distinctive, the government needs to have a policy on what to do with listed buildings which may not have an economic function anymore.

Of course, there are too many vested political interests that have to do with real estate development and promoters. This has been true with the expansion of any city anywhere and yet great cities do wake up and come up with rules to prevent decimating the architectural legacy of their city. While travelling from Dubai to London this was so much on my mind that I was having a conversation with an air-hostess who told me she was from Montevideo and how her mother lived in a 90-year-old house which according to regulations could not be destroyed. She also told me how citizen groups and laws were strong enough in Buenos Aires and Montevideo to see to it that distinctive old buildings and neighbourhoods had been left untouched. There is no inkling of this concern in Calcutta. In this regard, Bombay, where the real estate mafia has long been very powerful, has shown more initiative.

Can you cite examples that could be replicated in Calcutta?

Architecture and neighbourhoods can be rejuvenated of course by economic well being which is ordinarily called gentrification. But not just by having a Cafť Coffee Day or a mall. Through interactive relations between artistes and neighbourhoods and government policies to encourage that kind of interaction. Berlin is always an interesting example to hold up because east Berlin was reunited with west Berlin fairly recently. It was a bankrupt city which, on reunification, wondered what to do with the prefabricated buildings which the socialist government had brought up. Thatís when the artistic and bohemian set began to occupy those buildings. If the artistic fraternity in Calcutta were to use buildings in north Calcutta, or businessmen shift businesses to north Calcutta because of lower property prices there, it would certainly rejuvenate the city. People have been fleeing north Calcutta, an amazing part of the city, which is now in a state of terrible neglect.

How much would a creative vision in governance help?

When it comes to the creative vision to do with spaces in the city, whatís happened? There are these strange gestures of Rabindrasangeet being played at intersections and painting the city white and blue. Well, do those things if you feel compelled to, but also get down to the real business of imagining how we might make use of its extraordinary spaces in terms of public art, visual art, performances.

Even the Coffee House could be used in a more interesting way. What is the Bengali intelligentsia doing, especially those who supported the Trinamul party? What is it there for if not for moments like these? Thereís no point in these buddhijibi and Mamata Banerjee coming together to celebrate the Trinamul party if the latter canít invite the more distinguished among them, like, say, Joy Goswami, to articulate their vision of the future of these spaces. No one came and advised the Berliners from outside. If there is a legacy over here and a tradition of Bengali thinking that cannot be compared with any other city in India, as people claim , then for godís sake do something with it now. The only instance of public art that is actually responsive to the surrounding neighbourhoods is the Pujas; other works of public sculpture mostly exist in a political void without in any way putting location to use. That points to the generally compartmentalised way space and ideas are perceived here ó yet the Puja is a reminder that creative perceptions are possible.

Calcuttaís culture is related to the way we think of spaces in the city and in preserving its architectural ethos and lived-in history. Areas like Hindusthan Park, Lake Road, Bakul Bagan should be called heritage areas if the word Ďheritageí is what it takes to make people realise that these areas are unique. I donít think itís enough showing people the Victoria Memorial.

What would your message to the establishment be?

A law needs to come into place here in Calcutta very soon as it is enforced in other parts of the world that prevents the destruction of buildings. Unless there is a very good reason to get rid of them. There seem to be no regulations in place in the interest of the unique character of this city.

And your message to Calcuttans reading this?

Iíve been going out on a limb and saying these things from late last year knowing fully well that people donít take such issues seriously. Iím prepared to do this because the issue is a very serious one. I donít naturally lend myself to activism but my only worry is that by the time more of us begin to discuss this, even more houses will be gone. I hope that more and more people including academicians, artistes, intelligentsia will overcome their peculiar high-mindedness and do something to put pressure on the government for laws to come into place for governing construction and development within the city.

Do you still find Calcutta beautiful?

Calcutta in the non-western world is one of those unique cities of modernity. We feel shy about using the word beautiful but I think Calcutta is quite a beautiful city. You see that on a bandh day when it is easier to get around. Itís not a very big city, though it feels big, but it has an unexpected miniaturist air about it with its winding lanes and clockwork-machinery kind of feel . For a city that is rather intricate and wound up, and in many ways badly damaged, it is, potentially, very distinctive.

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Billboards have been removed from most places along the VIP road, but the ugly iron structures are still present. Also, the water logging on the sides of the road is pretty bad. Another strange thing is the total lack of footpath on the sides.
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Concrete tiling of the VIP road median, sorry about the poor pic quality.





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Street-lamp Design 1

simple idea to save space. light up the street and the footpath with one single pole:



neat and clean design; no clutter; no unnecessary three points in an already cluttered city.

At Avenue de France in the 13th arrondissement

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Hope: Our learned mayor learns something from the deliberately austere design in the public spaces of Paris.
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simple idea to save space. light up the street and the footpath with one single pole:



neat and clean design; no clutter; no unnecessary three points in an already cluttered city.

At Avenue de France in the 13th arrondissement

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_...ce_%28Paris%29

Hope: Our learned mayor learns something from the deliberately austere design in the public spaces of Paris.
Real aesthetics & urban planning in display.
But, ki korbe bolo. Amader "highly efficient urban planners" to esob dekheni, tai mathai aseni.
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Billboards have been removed from most places along the VIP road, but the ugly iron structures are still present. Also, the water logging on the sides of the road is pretty bad. Another strange thing is the total lack of footpath on the sides.
One thing that has always bothered me is that why VIP Road is devoid of a proper sidewalk for the entire 8 km stretch (barring some small portions in Baguihati - Raghunathpur stretch). Eespecially when it runs alongside a canal for most parts, it should have dedicated pavements bordered by railings. I remember the bus which fell into the canal in Keshtopur couple of years back due to lack of protection, yet nothing has happened.
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Real aesthetics & urban planning in display.
But, ki korbe bolo. Amader "highly efficient urban planners" to esob dekheni, tai mathai aseni.
But they routinely make foreign trips on the pretext of understanding how to beautify. It ends in wasting taxpayer's money.
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One thing that has always bothered me is that why VIP Road is devoid of a proper sidewalk for the entire 8 km stretch (barring some small portions in Baguihati - Raghunathpur stretch). Eespecially when it runs alongside a canal for most parts, it should have dedicated pavements bordered by railings. I remember the bus which fell into the canal in Keshtopur couple of years back due to lack of protection, yet nothing has happened.
In Bengal sidewalks are exclusively dedicated for the hawkers. May be that's why they are not building the sidewalks there - to keep out the hawkers?
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