Florida Rocks... I will rather to live in Miami for good reason.

[VansTripp]

Originally Posted by Hisma

not at all
aventura, miami beach, brickell, pembroke pines (i think that's miami-dade), coconut grove, coral gables... all very nice & upscale areas. But seriously, visit the city for yourself! Miami is a large city so there's much contrast and diversity. Obviously the city has something to offer, seeing the kind of boom that it's currently experiencing.

How about Hialeah, Kendrall, North Miami and North Miami Beach?

[VansTripp]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

That is why I left MIami forever. I will never go back there.
Lack of good jobs, rude people, not a good freeway system.
Only one freeway has carpool lanes, and they are just starting to have meter lights on freeways.
California, Houston, Minneapolis are way ahead. when it comes to freeways.
This weeks people from Seattle , and Houston will be training people in Florida on how to use the meter light on freeways.

Miami might be a nice city one day. Maybe 50 years from now.
I heard it is growing, but I hope they clean the city, and try to lure high tech companies to the area.
Hotels and restaurants jobs does not help much the economy.
They have to diversified the local economy as San Diego and Chicago does

lol. I loves California alot because nice state ever. Los Angeles County only have few ghetto area like South Los Angeles (expect Baldwin Hill, View Park, USC, Crenshaw and West Adams), Compton, some part of Inglewood, some part of Lynwood and North Long Beach but not all. Crime rate was lowest than Miami. It have more carpool, good job, bigger public transportation and nice community in almost most area.

[Hisma]

Hialeah is ghetto. Kendall is middle class suburbia (tho it has somewhat of a downtown forming), North Miami I'm not too sure, but I know it's not high-class, and I'm not too sure about North Miami Beach either. I'm sure a local Miamian can chime in on those areas.

[VansTripp]

Originally Posted by Hisma

Hialeah is ghetto. Kendall is middle class suburbia (tho it has somewhat of a downtown forming), North Miami I'm not too sure, but I know it's not high-class, and I'm not too sure about North Miami Beach either. I'm sure a local Miamian can chime in on those areas.

lol. Does Hialeah have high crime rate or just high poverty rate?

Please show me a picture of ghetto in Hialeah.

[miami1]

Hisma, Hialeah is not "ghetto". Obviously by you choice of words, you must be a very biased person. Hialeah is blue collar, with industrial parks and factories. There is a high number of new arrivals from Latin America, so obviously they have to start from scratch. For there to be rich, "high class" folks in Brickell and Coral Gables, there has to be blue collar people in Hialeah. P.S. Pembroke Pines is in Broward not Miami-Dade

[Roark]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

That is why I left MIami forever. I will never go back there.
Lack of good jobs, rude people, not a good freeway system.
Only one freeway has carpool lanes, and they are just starting to have meter lights on freeways.
California, Houston, Minneapolis are way ahead. when it comes to freeways.
This weeks people from Seattle , and Houston will be training people in Florida on how to use the meter light on freeways.

Miami might be a nice city one day. Maybe 50 years from now.
I heard it is growing, but I hope they clean the city, and try to lure high tech companies to the area.
Hotels and restaurants jobs does not help much the economy.
They have to diversified the local economy as San Diego and Chicago does

Sorry to hear that you left and will never come back. Like many people, I have great job (how many good jobs did you need?). Sure there are rude people, there are also people from other cultures that haven't fully integrated their experiences/education to the subtilties of what we may consider polite culture, they may even be holding on to their former country's proper protocols. I'll deal with a few people walking through the door and letting it close for the opportunities to learn about other cultures. They will come around! As for the freeway complaint. Okay. Hopefully these lights you mention will make commuting from suburbs so appealing that I'll move away from the water, stop taking the MetroMover to work, and start singing the praises of freeway life.
The city that I live in today is very nice. 50 years from now, it will likely be even better. Not a chance that a Floridian will trade their tax bill with a Californian.
The balanced and diverse economy has served us quite well during the 2000 recessioin when the rest of the country was reeling and downsizing, Miami was still booming, and continues to boom. Not too many Fortune 500 companies here. Lot's of medical services, import/export, banking, and of course, tourism.
Immigration is the highest form of flattery!
For every Fredcali we loose, we gain a Federico, Francoise, Fredrick, and some very nice Fernandas.

[streetscapeer]

WOW...that was awesome Roark!! concise and to the point!

[Xzayvier]

Roark, spoken well. I would, however, like to follow up on what you said. With respect to Hisma's many inaccurate comments, i'm not sure what makes you think you know so much about Miami. You clearly do not. Hialeah is small and over crowded and blue collar, but not ghetto--except maybe for Seminola. Pembroke Pines is not in Miami-Dade county by the way, and the Cuban-American community that you have so unjustly slandered, within the past 30 years has worked cohesively with one of the most diverse mix of ethnic groups in the country to create a genuinely international economic vitality that was never before present--and is now likely to bring to Miami the headquarters of Free Trade Area of the Americas, which will make Miami the de facto diplomatic and economic capital of the entire hemisphere. The Cuban-American community does not assert that they run the city. Rather, they have, for over 3 decades, helped operate Miami more effectively than ever before, and have in fact succeeded, through careful collaberation with other Miami social, political, and ethinc factions, in bringing Miami to the international limelight, where it is destined to remain.

FredCalif, sorry to hear that you are so disgruntled with Miami, and you're right about our transportation system being inadequate, however, Miami is a young city and transportation improvements are being ambitiously worked on in order to accomodate our substantial population growth. Also, the statement that "Miami might be a nice city one day" indicates that you have not visited the city in quite some time and are unaware of the phenomenal growth in terms of developmental activity throughout the county. Miami will be a world class city to be reckoned with in 10 years or less! Whether you like it or not, the entire country will be proud of what Miami will become.

[Hisma]

Originally Posted by miami1

Hisma, Hialeah is not "ghetto". Obviously by you choice of words, you must be a very biased person. Hialeah is blue collar, with industrial parks and factories. There is a high number of new arrivals from Latin America, so obviously they have to start from scratch. For there to be rich, "high class" folks in Brickell and Coral Gables, there has to be blue collar, "ghetto" people in Hialeah. P.S. Pembroke Pines is in Broward not Miami-Dade

o my gawd, u people are so PC. Hialeah is dominated by poor immigrants, what other way would u describe it other than ghetto? Every city has it's poor areas. I guess that just hurts too many peoples feelings... gimme a break.

[streetscapeer]

Here are a few random pics from downtown South Miami, by Sunset Dr. (sw 72nd st) and US-1...A full photothread will be made in the next few months... unless someone beats me to it!

[Hisma]

that's sunset place, near UM. Very nice, caught a movie there and it's very clean & upscale.

[VansTripp]

What happen to Miami for next 20-50 years later? Make your opnion or can be fact?

[Rx727sfl2002]

I Think Hisma Has a Problem with definitions and proper word usage
hialeah isnt one of the greatest in miami but overall its above average and has about 75 percent of small business in dade county in those little run down warehouses. it could be a much better place to live but atleast its not a ghetto and nowhere near to it. the streets are maintained and alot of improvement has been made on water drainage where in other parts of miami there still arent any wells installed. so overall i think hisma's post is definetly biased and unfounded...

[Xzayvier]

To sit here and think of what will happen in Miami in 50 years is outright preposterous. It simply cannot be done with any accuracy. 20 years of growth and development can be forecasted more accurately, but it is easier to stick analyzing the next 5 to 10 years of development in Miami in order to fully gauge what Miami is evolving into. The various threads in the Forida forum give much insight into the next 5 to 10 years of development.

[Hisma]

Originally Posted by Xzayvier

Roark, spoken well. I would, however, like to follow up on what you said. With respect to Hisma's many inaccurate comments, i'm not sure what makes you think you know so much about Miami. You clearly do not. Hialeah is small and over crowded and blue collar, but not ghetto--except maybe for Seminola. Pembroke Pines is not in Miami-Dade county by the way, and the Cuban-American community that you have so unjustly slandered, within the past 30 years has worked cohesively with one of the most diverse mix of ethnic groups in the country to create a genuinely international economic vitality that was never before present--and is now likely to bring to Miami the headquarters of Free Trade Area of the Americas, which will make Miami the de facto diplomatic and economic capital of the entire hemisphere. The Cuban-American community does not assert that they run the city. Rather, they have, for over 3 decades, helped operate Miami more effectively than ever before, and have in fact succeeded, through careful collaberation with other Miami social, political, and ethinc factions, in bringing Miami to the international limelight, where it is destined to remain.

I didn't claim to know everything about the city, I don't even live there. I have however been there many times, & spent a number of weeks in the city to have an opinion on it. My opinions are just that, and while you may not like the way I speak, my opinions are at least informed and I am not making things up. I was already corrected on the Pembroke Pines comment, & i wasn't even sure it was in Miami-Dade anyway. I drove through Hialeah, and it wasn't "Bronx" ghetto but it was certainly less than desirable. I was trying to look up the demographics on the city, but last I checked it was almost 80% foreign, most of them poor. Don't know what you would classify as ghetto but that more than does it for me. Again, you guys are a little too sensitive to criticism. I have plenty of nice things to say about Miami, but one negative comment seems to set off all these alarms. Learn how to take the good with the bad, Miami has alot going for it but it still has it's share of problems.

[streetscapeer]

Originally Posted by Hisma

o my gawd, u people are so PC. Hialeah is dominated by poor immigrants, what other way would u describe it other than ghetto? Every city has it's poor areas. I guess that just hurts too many peoples feelings... gimme a break.

::I'm not trying to be an aggressor::
The thing is Hisma, we're trying to tell you that Hialeah is not as Poor as you're describing, I consider Hialeah lower-middle to middle-middle class, and places like Kendall middle-middle to upper-middle class! Hialeah is far off from being a Ghetto. A ghetto is a place where people are afraid to start businesses and where you are apprehensive about unlocking your car door! That is very far from where Hialeah is...relatively speaking, it's a thriving city (i.e., nw 103rd ave, 49th st)

[Xzayvier]

very stong point RX.

[VansTripp]

Now, I understand about ghetto. Ghetto means like poor neighborhood, ugly community and alot of rundown house. It can be considered into high crime rate. Ghetto is not including for Hispanic, Asian and White. Most considred for poor African American in biggest American cities like New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis, Southside Chicago, Harlem in NYC, South Los Angeles, North Philadephia and other.

Miami only have 22% black people that considered into heavy Haitian immigrant. Ghetto maybe not including for black immigrant.

[streetscapeer]

Originally Posted by Blink182

Now, I understand about ghetto. Ghetto means like poor neighborhood, ugly community and alot of rundown house. It can be considered into high crime rate. Ghetto is not including for Hispanic, Asian and White. Most considred for poor African American in biggest American cities like New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis, Southside Chicago, Harlem in NYC, South Los Angeles, North Philadephia and other.

Miami only have 22% black people that considered into heavy Haitian immigrant. Ghetto maybe not including for black immigrant.

LOL...trust me Blink, Miamians know that ghetto doesn't have to mean poor black neighborhoods, there are plenty of examples where that is not the case!

[Xzayvier]

Hisma, it is not about being sensitive to these issues. Rather it is about bringing to truth to innacurate claims. That is it. Nothing more nothing less.