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Old April 17th, 2013, 03:12 PM   #61
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I agree Steve. With federal funding for public transit way down and states and localities strangled for cash, we may have to just accept seeing ads on even light rail trains.
Yep, some already are. When I was in Houston a month or so ago I rode their system and noticed that some of the trains are wrapped:
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Old April 17th, 2013, 04:58 PM   #62
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Yep, I can see it eventually happening in Norfolk.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #63
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Most systems have some advertising but it can be done in a non-offensive manner unlike that monstrosity of Houston's above.

Does anyone have a google map showing the entire Hampton area and the current line with potential extensions? I find it hard to visualize as the whole area has so many joined cities and waterways, thanks.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #64
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I haven't seen any such Google maps so far.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #65
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I haven't seen any such Google maps so far.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 09:47 AM   #66
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Something like this?

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Old April 20th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #67
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Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for.

One thing Hampton Roads has going for it is the many rivers and inlets that have to be crossed. Those are almost always chock points and transit usually does well in such situations as there are only 2 choices, bridge traffic or transit, unlike going other places where they may be many different freeways/routes that are optional.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 03:26 PM   #68
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It is a beautiful system, but the economics of operating it are hopeless. The ridership has beat expectations, but is still quite low. The system is not being designed with the passenger-moving capacity required to improve the economics or significantly relieve traffic congestion on adjacent roads. As the system expands, the need for subsidies will expand. The following is a snip from an article in the paper this morning.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/04/high...-federal-funds

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Light-rail passengers are expected to pay $1.3 million in fares next fiscal year, which starts July 1. That covers only about 14 percent of the cost to run the 7.4-mile route that opened in August 2011 and stretches from the medical complex on Brambleton Avenue to Newtown Road. HRT's fare has been $1.50 since 1999. ..."
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Old April 21st, 2013, 11:55 PM   #69
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Thats because ridership is just too low which is probably a consequence of the small "system" (one short line plus hopefully a supporting bus network?)

As the system, and the number of well connected destinations, grow. The ridership should substantially improve. Furthermore, it takes a long time until the urban fabric of a place changes and adapts to new transit lines.


What I am not quite sure about is that partial circle in the south that stops at the river. I don't know that area at all, but it seems weird that the line stops just before reaching downtown of Norfolk. Who would want to go in circles when the destination is just across the river? Another crazy thing is that the current lines is not extend that not extremely long bit along an existing corridor to the new town center project in Virginia Beach. I know, it was voted down but that does not make it any less crazy from a planners point of view. Hopefully the extension, at least to this place, is coming soon.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 01:38 PM   #70
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I agree, as the system expands, ridership will increase.

As for the "incomplete" loop, should they build that section later on, there will probably be a river crossing at some point. But it will be expensive, so that's probably why its not included at this time. They may have to build that segment as a tunnel.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 08:25 PM   #71
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The question is if they should not wait with the whole part from "Academy park" to the river until they can afford the bridge/tunnel as well and have "Academy Park" as terminal with the other half being a frequent bus line, that actually connects to the very center.
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My photos!

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View the rest of my photos on my website/blog: http://hartride2012tampa.wordpress.c...ght-rail-line/

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Old June 5th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #73
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HRT has begun the first phase of a study to extend the Tide LRT into Naval Station Norfolk.

http://www.gohrt.com/nsntes/
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Norfolk kids. 'Nuff said.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 05:42 PM   #78
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You'd be surprised what goes on along the LRT. Oh...and no riding your bike along the tracks either...you'll be fined for that.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 07:07 PM   #79
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I was on the tide a few weeks ago when I visited Norfolk, I must say I enjoyed riding it, and hope Richmond takes some notice too!
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Old December 21st, 2013, 07:18 PM   #80
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I was in Norfolk and Virginia Beach in April and enjoyed riding the Tide too. I hope that the Tampa Bay area will be able to get some form of rail transit up and running by 2030.
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